Let the drooling begin...
 

I've long said I won't buy a new Jeep because I'm a child and require a V8 noise.

And then they do this:

https://jalopnik.com/jeep-grabs-the-...ran-1844347993

If the teaser is to be believed, then I wonder what they're doing to make it pass crash test standards?

I need that because I don't get pulled over enough....

I'm wondering if it is a Jeep from the canceled EJS this year that they are going to "unveil" at the same time as the Bronco to try to steal the thunder. They are definitely doing it in response to the Bronco, my question is how serious they are.

If it's an EJS toy, then crash test standards don't matter.

If it is real (and god does my childlike nature want it to be!) then I'm sure they'll find a way. After all, FCA are experts on putting big V8s everywhere!

Man... if they can pull it off, then I have just one thing to say:

https://i.imgur.com/BHppaHa.jpg

if it's just another "sandstorm" concept, then FUKK YOU JEEP.

if it's real ... they have probably been holding off on the V8 wrangler for like 15 years waiting for the actual bronco launch to do it. they weren't exactly loosing sales without it, and now that Furd said they won't have one ... BOOM.

but yeah, i'm with the rest of ya. sure there were aspects that need fixed before i could drive one even occasionally, that 2wk rental pointed out a bunch. but a 392 JT? where's my order card!

they could say it never passed ... having never tested it. would have been a good marketing strategy!

Is there a reason to believe the change from v6 to v8 is enough, that it would fail? Honestly don't know...but I'm sure they could figure it out. Wrangler's aren't exactly the safest rigs out there but they still are able to remove the top and doors.

Front end crash test needs to be done to show the engine won't enter the passenger compartment. I don't think anything else needs to be done for an engine change. Still a million bucks or so towards development costs.

Ignore Hellcat engine part of topic and I refer you to this: Linky

This is the important part:

this is exactly why i figure they never did it. the cost was never worth the return. now however, you can justify buku bucks for marketing and over shadowing a direct competitors launch.

just because it'll never pass in the current form, doesn't mean some good engineering can't make it work. it's exactly what they did with the cooling n such on the max-tow of the gladiator. detail the engineering!

https://www.motor1.com/news/433659/j...n-392-concept/

https://prnewswire2-a.akamaihd.net/p...1/type/2/q/100

i freaking love that hard top

If that comes out as they show it, and the price is not completely unreasonable, it would definitely be something I'd be in the market for. I'd even be happy with 34s factory instead of 37s if it allows them to be more in line with a Rubicon (or even Sport, if we are lucky) price level with a typical Hemi surcharge. I worry they'd only make it available on the Rubicon and higher levels though, and price it like an SRT upgrade.

I am afraid they would go with a street themed drag strip monster, like the mentioned SRT or going back to the 5.9 ZJ. Make the engine available across the lineup, even if the lower end has to be special ordered.

The one thing I'm fairly confident in is they won't go with street performance, they already have the Grand Cherokee for that and the Wrangler would be completely the wrong platform for it.

I could see trail running maybe as a theme over hard core rock crawling, or even overlanding, but so far what they have announced is fairly generic, just "big engine in same vehicle otherwise".

Ain't ever gonna happen.

Can't believe nobody is talking bout those half doors, mother of pearl, those are pimp!!!

Yes, that top is sweet, a buddy has one and it's tits!!

I'm guessing this is a holdover from EJS that never got shared cuz it was cancelled...I could see it possibly going into a Gladiator, but not a JL.

This would KILL the aftermarket companies...they'd go from 100 mph now to a dead stop, and have to find a way to do it cheaper. While I thought these would likely be in the SRT8 category of price range, I'd guess now they could do it like the diesels, and you'd be looking at $60-70k...and not in any sort of stripped down model, it'd be a special edition.

That said, I'll be all those companies are pissed right now, too...cuz anyone on the fence with an install is going to stall, wait and see...if you think Brute Double Cab build value dropped, imagine what someone w/ a $100k Jeep is thinking now if they actually do this...LOL, but it won't happen.

Meh, as much as I'd drool for it to happen, no sense getting wound up until I know it is true. My JT would be for sale day one tho :lol:

Check it out: https://youtu.be/UpRnMBvdoBQ

If that Jeep comes out, with that engine note... it will be VERY hard for me to not trade in my Charger at the end of the lease for one of them...

I bet $70k would be absolute minimum for a loaded Rubicon V8. Our 17 listed for over $50, and it's pretty easy to build a $60k Rubicon JLU now.

Oh, absolutely...what I’m saying is, it’ll be priced at SRT8 prices, or brought down to the Ram and diesel prices...it’s doable, just think it won’t happen.

I mean, a loaded JT Rubi is $60k, but that engine is more affordable than the aftermarket makes it seem.

Fine line... but they would COMPLETELY CANNIBALIZE their 1500 market!!

Just funny see it happening... other than being able to get more for a JT than a Ram

I’m in line!!

Jeep built the TJ unlimited for far less than the AEV. Mercedes sold the G-Wagen for half what Europa imports had been selling them.

If they want, they can sell a V8 Wrangler/Gladiator for under $60K with options that bring them over $80k. We shall have to wait and see.

OH EM GEEE...a Jeep with a V8!!!!1!!


...snooooore.

:roflmao:

https://moparinsiders.com/if-jeep-ca...with-the-1500/

The signs sure seem to be pointing to them doing this :dunno:

It's a done deal for sure, either that or it's the best con game they could play on Ford.

every car blog on the planet is basically just waiting on the price now.

as am i.

I'll take "What will be overpriced and have issues off the bat for $500 Alex"

RIGHT!!! After so many years of hearing "it won't happen" over and over again....man, I'm skeptical.

Ditto...f'n ditto!!

:roflmao:

Honestly, it's GOT to put a damper on some of these companies already installing them...people on the fence are straight up halting their plans. Gonna have to wait and see...as much as I want one I won't be doing another swap, I'll take a factory one and pay for it. :us:

Kinda curious how much AEV may know (HEY, Sean!) about it...I mean, they not only stopped installing the Hemis (at least I think), they stopped building the BDC prior to the JT coming out...makes ya wonder!

Dammit...I want to know what they'll cost. You KNOW they won't be cheap...and MF be too expensive for me :banghead:

Have a buddy that just bought one with a 5.7 from Dakota Customs...Sting Grey, too, man...so jeally. Hasn't been delivered yet but he already has parts sitting in his garage to start the build :eek:

Pretty much every new car is overpriced these days. I also will never own the first model year of any major update / new model. I let the OEMs get the first couple years out of the way...by then they've (usually) worked out the bugs and the cost-down work is just beginning.

https://www.investopedia.com/financi...e-of-cars.aspx

Agree 100% on not getting the first year model. In the last 30 years the family got burned on a first year 1994 C-Class Mercedes and a 1999.5 Jetta. Even the Germans have issues.

But, cars when compared to inflation, and excluding the exotics of the sports and luxury car world, have significantly decreased in real costs over the years.

Its not just inflation, development costs and complexity have also skyrocketed in the last 15 years, especially on diesel engine equipped vehicles. The high output Cummins diesel option is now 11,995 alone. The MSRP of the whole truck my dad bought in 2004 was under 45k. He was out the door for under 30k (it was a 2003).

Some yes, and some no. Are they a lot more expensive than they were 20 years ago? Yup. Adding inflation and new amenities, crash test standards and safer cars, more power and generally better economy are they? Not so much.

Heavily depends on what you're in the market for.

A light duty truck? Yeah...they'll take you to the cleaners.

A nice (not luxury) sedan for getting around daily? Very reasonable.

Well we know one from the factory will be a hell of a lot cheaper than getting one custom installed by any company. I don't see it being $25k for the V8 option, but not sure how much less they'll price point it at.

Yup
http://web.archive.org/web/200310060.../P1010133A.jpg
These were a heck of a lot more expensive than the TJ-Unlimiteds that followed them.

But also didn't come w/ a V8 from the factory ;)

True, no CJ/Wrangler has had that option since 1986. My point is taking an aftermarket OEM quality expensive mod, then the OEM doing it in factory for a fraction of the cost.

Sort of like Europa Imports out in New Mexico importing and federalizing G-Wagens from the early 80s until Mercedes started importing them directly and cutting the cost in half.

How much will a factory V8 effect the values of the older AEV conversions?

Yeah, I knew what you meant :p

Wish Jeep had not only built them sooner, built them longer...'04-06 is not enough time to get a good clean affordable one in today's market.

And the AEV versions are still incredibly high priced!

It comes down to simply...why?

Other than a likely small margin, I would be surprised if the actual market of buyers is worth the investment in configuration, tooling, etc. etc. etc.

No one is taking their JL/JT's to the track, or really doing massive towing with them.

It comes down to "having it". Unless you're rolling on tons and large tires...the extra power at some point starts to become moot.

What they need to do, is offer better six cylinder options overall...but even then, we're talking a small minority that even care THAT much.

i mean ... if "just to have it, cuz no one needs it", was really an argument ... why do we have any options at all? if that argument was true then we'd have no AC, no radio, no heated seats, and those are now standard on stuff.

this nation is gluttonous in their willingness to pay for "wants", god bless America. :us:

But it has all of that.

I go back to...as an OEM...is it even WORTH it to consider. This is why we've likely seen "concept" after "concept" and no real from the factory option.

This isn't a newer charger with V6 vs. V8 option.

It's a 4x4 yuppie wagon :f2: that most soccer moms a mall crawler bros don't really need nor will they care to pay extra (depending on how much extra) for the higher HP (though I recognize I could be 100% wrong).

The 392 is supposed to be ~450HP....cool.

All three 2020 options for the JL are right at 260/270HP.

How about...GASP...a more modern powerful V6? :rolleyes:

Plenty of V6's out there putting out 350+ HP. But, I guess some people won't feel important enough unless it's got them thurr two extra cylindurs YEE YEE! :lol:

It's has to have the V8 sound, too. Because it's like having a really hot girlfriend with a terrible screechy voice. Yeah, she feels good, you just don't want anyone to hear her.