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They also do it more efficiently, weigh less, and thus get you better road numbers. I thought about an LQ9 swap into the buggy for some time, but wouldn't even give it a thought now. For a little more cost, I can get a much better power to weight ratio powerplant in there, that likely may have even more power or close to, an LQ9. But hey, some people are about V8's like some people are about diesels "12V swap everything!" ![]() |
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At EJS last year the engineers said V6s with more power... in cool with that, I just want more power. It the larger engines do that, so...
Tide of us that do tow, haul more weight, we want them. I will say, after taking my rack and tent off I can noticeably feel the power difference, so I’m all about more power, and I’m not taking it to the track.
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Jeep already has access to a 300 hp version of the same corporate V6 they put in the Jeep, it's not like they couldn't give it power. But it's the low down torque that would make a more meaningful difference, and it's a lot more effortless with a higher displacement motor. And at that point, the V8 is the easy button to achieve it. They do have the diesel now, which is a torque monster, but it's also the diesel that even James wouldn't buy. Now that Jeep has competition from the Bronco, putting a V8 into the Jeep is a quick and easy way to get attention back to the Jeep brand. Add in, I'm the perfect target audience for Jeep. Mid (ok, bordering late) 30s, no kids, dual income, prior Jeep owner. I should be in the market for a Wrangler. But ever since they dropped the 4.0 I6 I have not been impressed with how they drive, too sluggish with motors you have to wind the piss out of. If they are that bad stock, how bad are they with a set of 35s like they should have? But I won't buy one with the current motor options. I have to wait for someone like Brian to sell his cheap because they pony'd up for the V8 swap already. There is also this. I'm a man-child and I want V8 noises. A V8 Wrangler would complement my Challenger R/T and Charger Scat Pack well! |
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i tell ya what, when area under the curve matters, he's a direct look at it. having driven both, the 4cyl does feel faster/more bite, while the v6 comes off the line better and is generally i found nicer to drive. that said, i'll take my stock LQ4 TJ 13 out of 10 times.
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it's all opinion and driving style vs environment and use. having the "do we need a V8" discussion is like arguing what color is the best. "we have white and grey, what on earth do we need purple for"
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What v6 are you swapping in for "a little more cost" that has more power than a lq9? It would have to have forced induction and that hads more than a little cost plus the packaging. I dont think everything needs an ls swap but it power to money spent wise they are hard to beat and are a failry small package for a v8 I was driving a 14 srt grand cherokee yesterday, while it was nice and i could definitely daily drive one, wasnt all that impressed wirh the 6.4 ![]() |
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The LFX is the one that many guys have been gravitating towards. About the same-ish cost as an LQ9 itself. Yes, more work since the LQ4/LQ9 and family are the SB350 of yesteryear, and have lots of support. Numbers on it are ~323HP/278ft-lb. at least in the Camaro version. (Yes torque is a chunk lower). Tuning and some playing around (like any modern engine) can bump those numbers. I agree it's hard to beat the LQ engines in terms of cost to performance, but I'm not sure I'd lean in their direction for anything I'd be rolling on, unless maybe I got one cheap for a Willys project (but I'd still likely just find a cheap 5.3L). Last edited by freerider15; 08-14-2020 at 10:12 AM. |
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Between the just announced TRX (drool), the "concept" 392 Wrangler (conceptual drool), and now this Wagoneer seeming to be way more then just an extended Grand Cherokee (luxurious drool), FCA is on a real roll.
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I am so tired of the new wagoneer news. I just want to talk about fsj in my fsj groups but that is all thats on there lately. :rant:
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i had not seen a waggy yet!
quick search says a 1500 full-size SUV?!?! another yes plz! |
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I seriously doubt they'd be running the truck 6.4 in these either, I'd expect a detuned SRT variant made for go-fast fun. So no real risk to the light truck market. Think Mojave, not Max Tow. The Pentastar and 8 speed combo can already support every ounce of towing and payload that the chassis can. Quote:
V8 swaps were much more realistic with the early JK. The 3.8L was a turd, the auto was meh, and boosting it was a ticking time bomb. The 3.6L was a drastic improvement, and now with the 8 speed there's zero practical reason for a V8 swap in a JL or JT. Cool factor and better audio for sure, but neither of those are practical reasons. The factory powertrain options are capable above and beyond the rest of the vehicle platform. Add in the electrical nightmare involved in making it work on a new vehicle along with the decently high likelihood that an OEM offering will severely undercut your aftermarket offering and it's hard to make a business case for most companies. The TRX is awesome. It's hilarious watching the Raptor fanboys try to pick it apart without having a clue what tricks it's still hiding. "2.5s are way too small for a truck that size. Fox 3.0s for life, brah." Yeah ok, Kyle. Your Fox 3.0s are a 2.5" body shock inside a 3.0" fluid bypass reservoir. The active damping Bilsteins on the TRX are unbelievable. I've worked pretty closely with their tuner, who's done some of the baddest suspension tuning on the planet, including most of AEV's. He said they straight up defy physics. It's got different modes at the flip of a switch, it can sense when the vehicle is in the air and instantaneously switch for landing, and the damping range is unreal. I saw the damping curves overlaid with some other more traditional 2.5" shocks and it's mindblowing what those things can do. Gonna be a game changer. Mix it with over 700hp and the bar just got raised way up. I don't have any info on it that isn't already available out there, most people just don't know where to look, don't know what they're looking at, or would rather bash the competition than educate themselves on what they're up against. Last edited by bbaCJ8; 08-25-2020 at 08:48 AM. |
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This page is just a bunch of boner material
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now i want a TRX ... like ... bad
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