Jeepin.com Forums  

Go Back   Jeepin.com Forums > Tech > Tow Rig Talk
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-22-2024, 08:05 AM   #261
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

man, i keep forgetting to take before pics ... so the pan used to have this tube welded on where the rearward port now is. actually slightly fwd of, but i now have better access to the pan bolts. while the pan was on the bench getting prepped for sound deadener, no time like now to set it up for anything possible in the future. 10an fittings and 2 in case it's ever needed. for now one will just get capped.

sprayed down two double coats of LizardSkin sound control on the tappet cover, valve covers and oil pan. these seam to be the best areas to protect. when i did the oil pan on the 55 i noticed a big difference from the first max coat to the 2nd, so went right for that this time. if you put it on any thicker to start it won't cure right and will pull/crack, have to give it 24h between heavy coats. everything got rattle-can'd black after to seal it up nice. you'd never know the pan had been beat as bad as it was


__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2024, 09:26 AM   #262
xj_man_646
Senior Member
 
xj_man_646's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MN
Posts: 27,791
Send a message via AIM to xj_man_646 Send a message via MSN to xj_man_646
Default

Nice work! My barn is basically just a storage shed anymore. Hoping next year to start making some progress on turning it into a wrenching space.
__________________
- James

I like diesels
xj_man_646 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2024, 09:45 AM   #263
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

i had no intension of working out in mine yet that's for sure. but there was no way i was easily pulling this engine with a 9ft ceiling, cherry picker, and 25ft deep space. I'd have had the truck half out of the shop, front axle resting on the brake rotors, and entire core support pulled to even have a chance.

gantry, done

as soon as i get the engine back together and swung back in the frame, hank gets pushed back to the shop for all remaining assembly
__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2024, 11:42 AM   #264
xj_man_646
Senior Member
 
xj_man_646's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MN
Posts: 27,791
Send a message via AIM to xj_man_646 Send a message via MSN to xj_man_646
Default

Gantry cranes are pretty awesome.
__________________
- James

I like diesels
xj_man_646 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2024, 09:45 AM   #265
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

speaking of seals, the front crank seal had to be struggling to keep oil in. quick repair sleeve and good to go ... or so i thought. sleeve went right on, i bought the fancy Cummins main seal tool kit last time i was messing with one. but my first try getting the seal into the front cover ended with a damaged seal, totally my fault. now i had to wait for delivery of another, but while looking i realized what the other tool in the kit was and that's what i needed! 2nd seal, used the nice tool, junk went right in. too bad it was junk and the seal was ripped half way around ... why do i keep buying china crap!?!?. 2 $11 seals down, i ordered 3 $25 MAHLE. first one popped right in and finally good to go.

i had ordered the blue amazon valve cover gaskets too, and they weren't even the right size. had to stretch them ever to slightly and would just pop off. returned those for the red ones ... you'd think i would have learned by now.

__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2024, 09:46 AM   #266
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

despite the extra waiting, got the whole thing back together and back in the frame rails before the cold front. was the last day in the 40s. swung it up n over while the in-laws were prepping the thanksgiving meal! my FIL helped me get the truck pushed back into the heated shop. the shop ceiling is too low for extraction, so i was working on the engine in the barn. glad i'm not still wrenching out there now in the 20s.

hot rod lift pump (build in post #200) got -8AN lines and eliminated 4 of the 5 banjo fitting. the last one has the injector return screwed into it, so i didn't rework all that. if i can prove i am loosing fuel pressure at the top end and need just a little more i might play other games. the inlet screen was also tossed for a big in-line filter.

3D printed a template to put timing marks on the balancer and got the timing all turned up while it was still on the stand. timing cover listed 12.5 base, so +7 to 19.5 should be game on.

with the engine in the truck, i did the BARE MINIMUM to start it. no trans, no cooling, just fuel and a few wires. priming with the little plunger was lame :lol2: but she worked and fired up! sounds smoooooth, i wish i had checked the sound level before and after cuz this is way quieter. at this point i have the trans back in and almost everything finished up. final thing to screw with is the throttle cable, and those parts don't show up til Wed.




__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2024, 12:15 PM   #267
xj_man_646
Senior Member
 
xj_man_646's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MN
Posts: 27,791
Send a message via AIM to xj_man_646 Send a message via MSN to xj_man_646
Default

How did you decide on +7 degrees timing?
__________________
- James

I like diesels
xj_man_646 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2024, 12:30 PM   #268
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xj_man_646 View Post
How did you decide on +7 degrees timing?
sort of averaging experience from online ...

factory is 12.5-14 depending on year. adding timing will move the power higher in the RPM range, it's also good for more MPG. it can however start to hurt spool-up, where depends on your setup.

basically no one recommends less that 16deg total for any application ever. 18 is like the bog-standard for anyone with gov springs and turning screws. reading about ppl running 22-24 and some love it while some have turned back a few deg. race trucks run upwards of 36.

this is still my tow rig and i do love quick spool, but i also drive at higher R's with the gov springs and the 6spd has less drop in R's per shift. i maybe kinda do like to play some stupid games now and then too. figured 18 min, but i couldn't convince myself to do over 20. i finally just decided "screw it, I'll do 19 if i can't decide" ... but then with 12.5 base i talked myself into a whole number of deg change and rounded up. so 19.5-12.5 = 7
__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2024, 12:32 PM   #269
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

funny thing is i think i only moved the timing +6 on the 55 ... but it's also factory head gasket and bolts.
__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2024, 08:51 AM   #270
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

throttle cable worked out really well i think. found a universal kit on amazon that had cable ends that snapped into the factory square firewall hole perfectly, and the factory throttle pedal! but the cable was too short, couldn't buy the parts cheaper elsewhere, and i just ordered a second longer cable. 36" sheath was perfect. it's the factory throttle lever, i just removed the ball socket and bolted in the pin from the kit. the cable bracket is just a plate welded to the solenoid bracket that clears the shutdown lever. The return spring is just hooked to one of the pump mounting studs and a hole already in the lever. game on, nice and smooth.



Kit 1:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001QVTIM8...fed_asin_title

longer cable:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DXSC3QV...fed_asin_title

__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2024, 08:52 AM   #271
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

but she's up and running/driving!

let me start this with the fact that i have no clue what the timing was set to on the VE, and i guess it's possible the pump was just wore out too ... but this is a COMPLETELY different truck now. throttle response is off the charts better. it's making 15lbs of boost grandma driving how I'd have only been at 1psi before. it's sooo much smoother and less NVH, to the point that it's eerily quieter inside driving. quieter, not quiet

at this point i'm feeling pretty good, this is awesome. if i'm getting my prior acceleration boost now while cruising, what will i get actually accelerating!?!? turns out, no clue, but too much. i blipped the throttle and the little digital gauge just started flashing numbers faster than i could read them ... and that's when a charge pipe let go. just blew out of the boot, i must not have gotten it seated well.

pre-boost is set to an absolute minimum, star wheel is tightened to somewhere arbitrary, game on. tonight hopefully i can keep these old junky charge boots to stay on and we start tuning.
__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2024, 11:46 AM   #272
xj_man_646
Senior Member
 
xj_man_646's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MN
Posts: 27,791
Send a message via AIM to xj_man_646 Send a message via MSN to xj_man_646
Default

15 psi cruising seems, out of whack, to me. If you're cruising with little to no load I don't think you be seeing much boost. Accelerating is different.
__________________
- James

I like diesels
xj_man_646 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2024, 11:54 AM   #273
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

cruising as a relative term, "just cruising around" involving corners and hills.

actual sustained lower speeds on flat straight roads though, i used to be 0 without exception and am now fluttering 3-5
__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2024, 06:36 PM   #274
xj_man_646
Senior Member
 
xj_man_646's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MN
Posts: 27,791
Send a message via AIM to xj_man_646 Send a message via MSN to xj_man_646
Default

Curious what your peak pressures actually get to when you can measure them.
__________________
- James

I like diesels
xj_man_646 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2024, 08:48 AM   #275
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

so in the before the max i ever saw was 60psi, but that was a long pull on the highway in 4th letting the R's run out. the VE never had the fueling capable of using anywhere near that much, and then i turned the pump down a good bit trying to drive it around town without constant coal rolling. the only way i used to be able to see over 30 was really letting it eat and getting the R's up

now in the after ... ho-lee-phuk. went out and started playing with it on my arbitrary 1st settings. no matter what i did there was no way i could make any smoke, meaning fuel was really conservative. but i was able to get like 38psi only kind of trying. at that point it was across the board better than the VE in every metric already. except when boost came in i was getting a vibration now. wasn't engine though so oh well, time to turn it up.

arbitrarily gave the pre-boost screw 2 full turns and loosened the star wheel some significant amount. big moves, lets see what happens. also swapped for a lighter throttle return spring and it's much nicer.

if i get after it, JUST as boost rolls in, there's a small waft of smoke. i think i nailed the pre-boost, but after that it's still totally clean. power and boost ramp faster, vibration is getting worse. i saw 53psi once when i stayed in it just briefly. the spool difference is next level, i can now be over 50psi where before it wouldn't have yet made 5.

at this point i start screwin with it to feel it out, i need seat time before i turn it up any more. come around a corner in 3rd, rolling into it, vibration comes in, shift to 4th and no vibration as i clutch it, but throttle into 4th and the vibration ramps with boost. it's at this point i realize i'm drifting the truck. well sh!t. re-test in a straight line. sure as sh!t, my vibration this whole time has been axle hope just spinning tires. with the traction bars it's a high frequency for any axle chatter i've felt before.

hoods back on, alternator hasn't been charging. previous owner swapped to some stand alone regulator from the ECU, i might have fried it. now i'm trying to decide between $360 for a proper 1-wire alternator with warranty that bolts in, or $150 to void warranties and DIY a 1-wire.
__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2024, 08:06 AM   #276
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

alternator was still using a factory looking hookup, but i know the PO said the check engine light (i mean, Gate Open light cuz RamCharger dash bezel) was on since he swapped to a new voltage reg. i shorted all that out hooking it back up with the battery connected and no-charge. ordered the PA Performance 1-wire with warranty that i could get faster than the DIY parts to build one, thing showed up on the early truck Saturday. this is when things went down hill.

chopped all the BS off the battery lead, new terminal end, she's charging perfect and no more light on the dash! time for a better test drive finally, lets return a bunch of stuff from Thanksgiving to my parents house. feeling confident, i'll even take the wife. made it like 2miles and blew off a charge pipe, again. this is where she starts getting snippy about "always breaking your truck" and "why do you always have to do something stupid" ... i'm over hearing about it. pull over, pop the hood to confirm what joint, it's an annoying one and i'll fix it at dad's. there's some smoke, but looks like it's coming from all the new manifold and turbo insulation. it wasn't.

get to dad's and park, i left a trail of oil into the driveway and all over his parking pad ... faaawwkkkk ... get that look from the wife and she goes inside. the oil drain from the atmos turbo had a HUGE split! oil just sheeting off everything under the truck, i lost about 3qt of oil in like 9miles. lucky for me i didn't come completely off, and there was enough hose to cut off the split, have less on the turbo barb, and still clamp on the pan. with the charge pipe also back on, home was easy.

the intercooler to intake horn is crimp bent exhaust pipe, it blows off cuz there's no safety lip. added weld, lets hope that's never an issue again.

really didn't want to break the seal between the turbo and the mount, but i REALLY should have done this hose update while the engine was out. just need to eliminate the welded on tube so i can use the -10AN drain. lets hope i can get everything to seal up nice again.

to help make gaskets i sharpened an old nut driver in a drill with the grinder, worked awesome!



__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|

Last edited by 6DoF; 12-09-2024 at 08:09 AM.
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2024, 12:30 PM   #277
xj_man_646
Senior Member
 
xj_man_646's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MN
Posts: 27,791
Send a message via AIM to xj_man_646 Send a message via MSN to xj_man_646
Default

I'm surprised you don't have a bead roller to put a nice rolled edge on the charge pipes.

You might need to look into actual clamps and not boots.
__________________
- James

I like diesels
xj_man_646 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2024, 02:52 PM   #278
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

well ... the PO used exhaust pipe, so it's steel and kinda thick-wall. i have a tube bead roller for AL charge pipes, but no way it would touch this stuff. there's a chance this is big enough to fit the full bead roller, but i didn't bother to dig it out and find out. still might be too heavy.

i really don't want to have to get into the fancy clamps ... that sh!t gets spendy
__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2024, 04:03 PM   #279
xj_man_646
Senior Member
 
xj_man_646's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MN
Posts: 27,791
Send a message via AIM to xj_man_646 Send a message via MSN to xj_man_646
Default

What gauge is your bead roller for? Exhaust pipe can't be that thick

A compound turbo charge air piping may not be the place to 'worry' too much about cost especially if this is going to be your long haul tow rig. You only need 4 connections, technically, if only considering from the turbo to the CAC and back to the intake. Something like this seems like a good deal assuming it comes with the clamp and flanges

https://bullboostperformance.com/col...er-pipes-black
__________________
- James

I like diesels
xj_man_646 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Yesterday, 07:46 AM   #280
6DoF
AKA: jeepnski
 
6DoF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 16,948
Default

it's a tiny thing ...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

i guess we'll find out on the charge piping, but this really shouldn't be an issue now.
__________________
...................................___
.................. ________||___\____
..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;|/_(O)\______ /_(O)|
6DoF is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.