JL Wrangler! Discuss!

[6DoF]

probably just a rock quarry or similar, and a fire hose at the top

[Cobound]

Probably...clear Hollywood tomfoolery

[srt8-jk]

Originally Posted by Cobound

Probably...clear Hollywood tomfoolery

From what I had heard, this was filmed on a ranch someplace in Texas.

[Cobound]

Then we need to find that ranch in Texas!

Matter of fact, w/ your recent capabilities, we need to put our own action on camera

[Dennis]

The 2018 Wrangler will keep the Pentastar 3.6-liter V6, good for 285 hp and 260 lb-ft of torque, as its base engine; it's the single largest piece of hardware that carries over from the outgoing version. But most of the buzz about the powertrain has centered on the new turbocharged 2.0-liter engine that will make its debut in the Wrangler lineup. This 2.0-liter will churn out 270 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque -- a bump over the Pentastar when it comes to torque but a slight drop in horsepower -- and it will be paired exclusively with an eight-speed automatic transmission.

JL Wrangler Forums now reports that the 2.0-liter turbo is now available for ordering as a $1,000 option over the base Pentastar V6. As this engine can only be paired with the eight-speed automatic, which itself is a $2,000 option, it makes this powertrain combo a $3,000 option.



Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...#ixzz56X5LK08E

[Sir Sam]

Turbo option will be interesting. See what can be tuned up for more HP on it. It will be interesting to see stock for stock what the turbo is like for drivesbility and fuel economy.

[bbaCJ8]

Had some discussion about this yesterday. Sounds like they almost advised people to only get that engine if you're leaving it stock. It will take very little added weight or tire to knock it into constant turbo use and kill fuel economy and longterm reliability. Sounds like a pretty poor choice for most of us, Ecodiesel will be the one to have. 400+lb-ft and 30+ MPG. Shouldn't take long to pay off the extra purchase price with those kind of numbers.

[Cobound]

Originally Posted by bbaCJ8

Had some discussion about this yesterday. Sounds like they almost advised people to only get that engine if you're leaving it stock. It will take very little added weight or tire to knock it into constant turbo use and kill fuel economy and longterm reliability. Sounds like a pretty poor choice for most of us, Ecodiesel will be the one to have. 400+lb-ft and 30+ MPG. Shouldn't take long to pay off the extra purchase price with those kind of numbers.

[Sir Sam]

Originally Posted by bbaCJ8

Had some discussion about this yesterday. Sounds like they almost advised people to only get that engine if you're leaving it stock. It will take very little added weight or tire to knock it into constant turbo use and kill fuel economy and longterm reliability. Sounds like a pretty poor choice for most of us, Ecodiesel will be the one to have. 400+lb-ft and 30+ MPG. Shouldn't take long to pay off the extra purchase price with those kind of numbers.

I think those are valid points. And I'd much rather have the VM diesel.

I'll see how things are looking when the truck comes out. If the truck has a diesel option it might be enough to tempt me to buy. Maybe.

[bbaCJ8]

Originally Posted by Sir Sam

I think those are valid points. And I'd much rather have the VM diesel.

I'll see how things are looking when the truck comes out. If the truck has a diesel option it might be enough to tempt me to buy. Maybe.

It absolutely will. Diesel should be out well before the truck is on the market.

[Cobound]

[Jeepin Jason]

[Cobound]

Yeah, really wish that would've been an option this round...but it would've not only SERIOUSLY increased the cost, as if the new model alone isn't already expensive...it might just have killed the Grand

Luxury with removable top/doors...got it. V8...go get a Grand

[nblehm]

Lots of people that drive grands wouldn't drive a wrangled, I'd think.

[Cobound]

Yeah, kill might be a strong word...it'd dig into the Grand's profits fo sho.

[Jeepin Jason]

Originally Posted by Cobound

Yeah, kill might be a strong word...it'd dig into the Grand's profits fo sho.

Maybe dig into the Grand's sales, but I'd guess they make more % on Wranglers than on the Grand, so Jeep would likely come out ahead in terms of revenue and PFO. Even if they "only" offered the 5.7L HEMI, and "only" in the 4dr JLU, the damn thing would sell like hotcakes. The only real downside, for some folks, would be a drop in JK/JKU resale as the market gets flooded by JK owners upgrading to a HEMI JL.

[bbaCJ8]

Originally Posted by Jeepin Jason

Maybe dig into the Grand's sales, but I'd guess they make more % on Wranglers than on the Grand, so Jeep would likely come out ahead in terms of revenue and PFO. Even if they "only" offered the 5.7L HEMI, and "only" in the 4dr JLU, the damn thing would sell like hotcakes. The only real downside, for some folks, would be a drop in JK/JKU resale as the market gets flooded by JK owners upgrading to a HEMI JL.

It has nothing to do with the Grand, they're totally different markets. The packaging just isn't there for a V8. They can be shoehorned in by the aftermarket but would never meet OEM crash standards. Between that and the ever increasing MPG and emissions standards we'll never see an OEM V8 Wrangler. Hell, even the full-size truck market is moving away from them, there's no way a Wrangler will move toward it.

[Jeepin Jason]

Originally Posted by bbaCJ8

...The packaging just isn't there for a V8. They can be shoehorned in by the aftermarket but would never meet OEM crash standards. ...

You've mentioned that before but it still seems totally crazy to me given the comparative sizes of the JK/JL vs the Grand Cherokee. But at the same time, the Pentastar in my JK feels cramped compared to the HEMI in my MIL's WK2.

Just a difference in how they can build the unibody Grand vs the BOF Wrangler?

[Dennis]

Originally Posted by bbaCJ8

It has nothing to do with the Grand, they're totally different markets. The packaging just isn't there for a V8. They can be shoehorned in by the aftermarket but would never meet OEM crash standards. Between that and the ever increasing MPG and emissions standards we'll never see an OEM V8 Wrangler. Hell, even the full-size truck market is moving away from them, there's no way a Wrangler will move toward it.

Originally Posted by Jeepin Jason

You've mentioned that before but it still seems totally crazy to me given the comparative sizes of the JK/JL vs the Grand Cherokee. But at the same time, the Pentastar in my JK feels cramped compared to the HEMI in my MIL's WK2.

Just a difference in how they can build the unibody Grand vs the BOF Wrangler?

Mopar makes/markets the lift kits now, something that would not have been heard of 15 years ago. Could they put together a crate engine kit with all the hook ups and software ready to go. Just bolts, plugs, and a thumb-drive for a competent mechanic to do in a day; and stay in compliance with the law? Do it at the dealership and they give you credit for the delivery mile only Pentastar?

[Cobound]

Werd.