All Electric Jeep Recon

[xj_man_646]

Keep in mind, that in the case of the automobile, government regulations (between noise, emissions, safety) have drastically increased the required complexity, and with added complexity comes added costs, which are kept as low as possible. In order to produce the cheapest vehicle for the consumer, designs are largely there to aid more efficient manufacturing. I understand what you're saying but you can't have the benefits of new technology and creature comforts with the simplicity of yesteryear.

Keep Tesla out of the discussion; they aren't the norm. I don't think it will be long before the other OEMs surpass Tesla's EV reputation and market share. I have heard they've improved, but I was absolutely appalled at the quality of their 100k SUV.

[6DoF]

Originally Posted by xj_man_646

Keep in mind, that in the case of the automobile, government regulations (between noise, emissions, safety) have drastically increased the required complexity, and with added complexity comes added costs, which are kept as low as possible. In order to produce the cheapest vehicle for the consumer, designs are largely there to aid more efficient manufacturing. I understand what you're saying but you can't have the benefits of new technology and creature comforts with the simplicity of yesteryear.

Keep Tesla out of the discussion; they aren't the norm. I don't think it will be long before the other OEMs surpass Tesla's EV reputation and market share. I have heard they've improved, but I was absolutely appalled at the quality of their 100k SUV.

reason 8751 the .gov needs to gtfo!

and i don't disagree that tesla will get pushed out ... but they are setting a pretty high bar for BS that will be emulated

[Dennis]

Originally Posted by 6DoF

reason 8751 the .gov needs to gtfo!

and i don't disagree that tesla will get pushed out ... but they are setting a pretty high bar for BS that will be emulated

Government mandates aren't what are making manufactures come up with tool specific repairs and subscription based heated seats.
Comparing a Honda CRV with an Audi Q3, shows the baseline sound requirements are negligible when another automaker can make a similar sized and equipped vehicle that much quitter for not that much more. The top of the line CRV is the same price as Q3, and feels thousands less.

[6DoF]

Originally Posted by Dennis

Government mandates aren't what are making manufactures come up with tool specific repairs and subscription based heated seats.
Comparing a Honda CRV with an Audi Q3, shows the baseline sound requirements are negligible when another automaker can make a similar sized and equipped vehicle that much quitter for not that much more. The top of the line CRV is the same price as Q3, and feels thousands less.

i'll agree with that for sure, the "consumer grade" vs "pro grade" vehicles are a wide gap. much wider than the costs.

if the market exists, we should be able to buy bare bones simple stuff with no traction control, no review camera's and screens, no CAN bus. stuff built to be serviced easily, quickly and cheap. the .gov mandates make that impossible. that market might also not exist, but it shouldn't be illegal.

[Dennis]

Originally Posted by 6DoF

i'll agree with that for sure, the "consumer grade" vs "pro grade" vehicles are a wide gap. much wider than the costs.

if the market exists, we should be able to buy bare bones simple stuff with no traction control, no review camera's and screens, no CAN bus. stuff built to be serviced easily, quickly and cheap. the .gov mandates make that impossible. that market might also not exist, but it shouldn't be illegal.

You aren't getting rid of back up cameras and basic traction control. Too many kids have died in wrecks where those features would have easily avoided the deaths. The safety lobby is strong, still not as strong as the manufacturers, but strong enough to keep some things like that in place.

Isn't the CAN bus stuff there to make it easier/cheaper for the manufacturers, plus give them a semi-monopoly on repairs and upgrades? Is there not a way to separate emissions from traction control from my HVAC from my radio from my windows from my lights from my door locks from my heated seats?