JL Wrangler! Discuss!

[bbaCJ8]

Originally Posted by Dennis

The Hardcore crew has always waited around for used, nothing new there.

I'm not claiming it's anything new, I'm just saying that's why they keep getting increasingly refined and comfy. The hardcore enthusiasts who are the first to b1tch about the changes and updates are also the least likely to buy a new one. Fortunately the OEM is smart enough to know that.

[xj_man_646]

Originally Posted by Dennis

I will never agree with turn signals on the fenders instead of the grill, but I guys that helps them with sales in the rest of the world.

I believe it specifically allows them to sell the vehicles in the US for safety regulations.

Did this not start with the TJ, or were the fender flare lights only reflectors and had no actual illumination?
edit: looks like they were actual lights from what I can see, which explains why that trend is continuing.

[xj_man_646]

Originally Posted by 6DoF

i was guna say, figured you'd driven one months ago.

[FUBAR]

[FUBAR]

[bbaCJ8]

Pricing seems fishy. Standard is probably the Pentastar, and yeah the rare and cheaper 6 speed manual is the "base transmission". I don't see the 3.6L and 8 speed auto being a $3500 option on top of that.

[6DoF]

pretty solid run-down ... even thought the guy is kind of a turd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLj9D4vo56Q

[Cobound]

Turd is putting it lightly

[BanditXJ]

Originally Posted by Cobound

Turd is putting it lightly

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[6DoF]

[6DoF]

i'll give Fiat some credit here, i think they did good as long as the quality is there and parts don't just bend/break. they have literally accounted for everything that basically 98% of ppl who buy em want to do. they have also slashed the aftermarket for smalls, so it'll also be interesting to see what they come up with for it.

[Cobound]

Good Lord, Bandit

Never seen that movie, not sure I ever will

Originally Posted by 6DoF

i'll give Fiat some credit here, i think they did good as long as the quality is there and parts don't just bend/break. they have literally accounted for everything that basically 98% of ppl who buy em want to do. they have also slashed the aftermarket for smalls, so it'll also be interesting to see what they come up with for it.

Ditto.

[Dennis]

Originally Posted by 6DoF

i'll give Fiat some credit here, i think they did good as long as the quality is there and parts don't just bend/break. they have literally accounted for everything that basically 98% of ppl who buy em want to do. they have also slashed the aftermarket for smalls, so it'll also be interesting to see what they come up with for it.

Just had to replace my radiator where the seam between the metal coil meets the plastic. Thing should have lasted far longer than 40K.

[Cobound]

Originally Posted by Dennis

Just had to replace my radiator where the seam between the metal coil meets the plastic. Thing should have lasted far longer than 40K.

Isn't that covered under warranty?

[Dennis]

Originally Posted by Cobound

Isn't that covered under warranty?

It was 4k miles ago.
It is not attached to the engine, so the water pump has a 5/100k warranty, and the hoses attached to the water pump are covered, but the radiator isn't.

Parts Covered
The Powertrain Limited Warranty covers these parts and
components of your vehicle’s powertrain supplied by
Chrysler Group LLC:
Gasoline Engine:
cylinder block and all internal parts; cylinder head
assemblies; timing case, timing chain, timing belt, gears
and sprockets; vibration damper; oil pump; water pump
and housing; intake and exhaust manifolds; flywheel
with starter ring gear; core plugs; valve covers; oil pan;
turbocharger housing and internal parts; turbocharger
wastegate actuator; supercharger; serpentine belt tensioner;
seals and gaskets for listed components only.

[Blue XJ]

Originally Posted by Dennis

It was 4k miles ago.
It is not attached to the engine, so the water pump has a 5/100k warranty, and the hoses attached to the water pump are covered, but the radiator isn't.

Is the entire hose covered, or just the half that is on the water pump side? They do anything they can to avoid paying.

[Cobound]

That's absolute BS!

[Dennis]

Originally Posted by Cobound

That's absolute BS!

Total BS. Absolutely no signs of abuse or external stress. Just a badly built example. The Xj was built solid the final week of XJ production with the pride of finishing up the run, but the JK has all the signs of being built the last weeks before Summer break for the new model year turn over.

[bbaCJ8]

Originally Posted by 6DoF

i'll give Fiat some credit here, i think they did good as long as the quality is there and parts don't just bend/break. they have literally accounted for everything that basically 98% of ppl who buy em want to do. they have also slashed the aftermarket for smalls, so it'll also be interesting to see what they come up with for it.

Yep Mopar hates competition and they've been missing out on a huge market for Jeep stuff for years. I mean they've had stuff available, but nothing to this level. They really stepped it up this time and have lots of good offerings that the competitors(including us) normally offer. We're having to change up our game for sure. It's gonna hurt a lot of smaller aftermarket companies, but the larger more established ones that have already been trying to come up with new, innovative products will hopefully be able to stay ahead of the curve. Mopar is pretty much just catching up to what the aftermarket has been offering for the JK for 5-10 years, so the good aftermarket companies will be able to offer something new and different that Mopar isn't doing yet. All that OEM red tape really bogs them down!

Originally Posted by Dennis

Total BS. Absolutely no signs of abuse or external stress. Just a badly built example. The Xj was built solid the final week of XJ production with the pride of finishing up the run, but the JK has all the signs of being built the last weeks before Summer break for the new model year turn over.

Premature radiator failure seems to be a very common problem on the 3.6 JKs. I haven't looked into what the likely cause is, whether it's design flaw or bad manufacturing, but I've read about failures time and again online. I'm a little surprised there's no TSB or recall, but I guess since it's not safety related and is easy for them to point the fingers elsewhere, they managed to dodge that bullet.

[6DoF]

Originally Posted by bbaCJ8

Premature radiator failure seems to be a very common problem on the 3.6 JKs. I haven't looked into what the likely cause is, whether it's design flaw or bad manufacturing, but I've read about failures time and again online. I'm a little surprised there's no TSB or recall, but I guess since it's not safety related and is easy for them to point the fingers elsewhere, they managed to dodge that bullet.

TSB reads: If water is coming out, it's not supposed to. replace with one that doesn't let water out.