Balancing Tires - Page 2

freerider15 · 08-22-2018, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xj_man_646

Dude...the manufacturer of the vehicle told them to do that with the wheel weights.

Manufacturer of Vehicle =/= Manufacturer of Wheel (necessarily) =/= Manufacturer of Tire.

I will still 100% stand by the fact, and would put money on...the fact that if static balancing "solved" the problem, something is still fawked.

Static balancing, especially on anything over a 15" wheel...is sh*t.

A bandaid has been applied, and the actual issue was never solved.

EDIT: The only way tape (static) weights are superior, is because you can clump a sh*tload of them in one area. You can only stack so many weights on a lip before it starts throwing things off.

But, then again, if you'd hit that point in tape weights...the tire/wheel combo usually needs a closer look.

freerider15 · 08-22-2018, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 6DoF

i found a company selling basically the plastic airsoft bbs specifically for tire balancing (at a greatly increased price) but their website listed the recommended amount to throw in what type/size of tire. i fully plan to throw a pile in my 40s for the YJ since i hope to drive it a little.

I've been surprised by my 40" MTR stickies.

I've had them up over 50mph, still drives smooth, no unbalanced tire feeling.

The Iroks they replaced...not so much

Cobound · 08-24-2018, 01:14 PM

I tossed about 12-16 ounces in each of my 37's on my Scrambler w/ Rock Monster double beadlocks...never had an issue.

Just the cheap airsoft bb's, not that magic overpriced special stuff

freerider15 · 08-24-2018, 03:26 PM

I've got some balancing beads I won in a raffle from H.D. Offroad (NAXJA Event).

They've been sitting on my shelf for like 3 years now

jeepkid05 · 08-25-2018, 09:59 AM

Ive never used beads, although I’d like to.

jeepkid05 · 08-25-2018, 10:00 AM

*anal beads*

JEEPJERK · 08-25-2018, 11:47 AM

How you doin'?

nblehm · 08-25-2018, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freerider15

Manufacturer of Vehicle =/= Manufacturer of Wheel (necessarily) =/= Manufacturer of Tire.

I will still 100% stand by the fact, and would put money on...the fact that if static balancing "solved" the problem, something is still fawked.

Static balancing, especially on anything over a 15" wheel...is sh*t.

A bandaid has been applied, and the actual issue was never solved.

EDIT: The only way tape (static) weights are superior, is because you can clump a sh*tload of them in one area. You can only stack so many weights on a lip before it starts throwing things off.

But, then again, if you'd hit that point in tape weights...the tire/wheel combo usually needs a closer look.

You can dynamic balance tires with stick on weights.

jeepkid05 · 08-25-2018, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JEEPJERK

How you doin'?

Really really good!

It’s good to be back.

How you doin?

Blue XJ · 08-28-2018, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nblehm

You can dynamic balance tires with stick on weights.

Maybe you can, maybe he can't?

bbaCJ8 · 08-28-2018, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 6DoF

i found a company selling basically the plastic airsoft bbs specifically for tire balancing (at a greatly increased price) but their website listed the recommended amount to throw in what type/size of tire. i fully plan to throw a pile in my 40s for the YJ since i hope to drive it a little.

Quote:

Originally Posted by freerider15

I've been surprised by my 40" MTR stickies.

I've had them up over 50mph, still drives smooth, no unbalanced tire feeling.

The Iroks they replaced...not so much

Try them with nothing first. I'm on my second set of 40s with zero balancing and they ride great with no vibration. I've heard of others with the same results on the big radials.

freerider15 · 08-28-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nblehm

You can dynamic balance tires with stick on weights.

Oh yeah, we did plenty.

The usual problems one tends to run into on those cases:
1.) The offset of the wheel makes it so static is really only possible and/or its just enough attempting dynamic ends up with them too close together and it's moot anyway
2.) The wheel weights, even after rigorous cleaning, brushing, etc. don't want to stick to well (especially in the cold).
3.) You get them to stick, they seem rather secure (even after maybe using a heat gun to get the adhesive to really grab), and they get tossed off after X amount of miles due to adhesive failure, mudding, etc. etc.

I have stick on weights on the Raceline's on my F-350...but it's a 7.3, leafs, etc. I don't expect it to ride like glass (though it does ride pretty damn nice for the most part).

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Originally Posted by bbaCJ8

Try them with nothing first. I'm on my second set of 40s with zero balancing and they ride great with no vibration. I've heard of others with the same results on the big radials.

Yeah, not planning on doing anything on the rig. It doesn't see speed regularly enough for it to even be warranted. When it does see speed, it either drives just fine (on road), or its aired down and doesn't matter anyhow. Gotta love rallying across rocks in aired down 40's, on ORI's, that would normally destroy a regular rig

bbaCJ8 · 08-29-2018, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by freerider15

Yeah, not planning on doing anything on the rig. It doesn't see speed regularly enough for it to even be warranted. When it does see speed, it either drives just fine (on road), or its aired down and doesn't matter anyhow. Gotta love rallying across rocks in aired down 40's, on ORI's, that would normally destroy a regular rig

I was mostly talking to Matt, just quoted you because it was relevant. Mine is smooth as butter at 80mph, or at least as smooth as a 1 ton TJ on 40s can ever be.

xj_man_646 · 08-29-2018, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freerider15

Manufacturer of Vehicle =/= Manufacturer of Wheel (necessarily) =/= Manufacturer of Tire.

I will still 100% stand by the fact, and would put money on...the fact that if static balancing "solved" the problem, something is still fawked.

Static balancing, especially on anything over a 15" wheel...is sh*t.

A bandaid has been applied, and the actual issue was never solved.

EDIT: The only way tape (static) weights are superior, is because you can clump a sh*tload of them in one area. You can only stack so many weights on a lip before it starts throwing things off.

But, then again, if you'd hit that point in tape weights...the tire/wheel combo usually needs a closer look.

For what its worth, in my time at the tire shop, I never placed pound-on weights on the outside of an aluminum rim. My boss didn't like it for his personal stuff, and carried it over to customer stuff. We never had a come-back. All aluminum wheels got pound-on weights on the inner lip only or stick on weights.

Cobound · 08-29-2018, 02:59 PM

This thread has gone far enough.

/thread

xj_man_646 · 08-30-2018, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobound

This thread has gone far enough.

/thread

bbaCJ8 · 08-30-2018, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobound

This thread has gone far enough.

/thread

There's an actual tech thread on this website. Let it go as far as it wants to go.

Nefarious · 08-30-2018, 10:16 AM

Cobound · 08-30-2018, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bbaCJ8

There's an actual tech thread on this website. Let it go as far as it wants to go.

OK, Ok, ok....continue at your own despair

6DoF · 08-31-2018, 12:15 PM

the TJ front tires have a wobble to them that's getting worse, and i'm pretty sure it's the ****ty steel wheels bending AGAIN. i'm trying to keep from buying new 8-lug wheels adapters to install the beadlocks on the D30 ... but at some point wheel imbalance is the most annoying and noticeable thing around you!

also blows my mind that more places don't have road force balancing. now i gotta find a new shop again :bang:

08-24-2018, 01:14 PM	#23
Cobound - The Don - Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN Posts: 48,390	I tossed about 12-16 ounces in each of my 37's on my Scrambler w/ Rock Monster double beadlocks...never had an issue. Just the cheap airsoft bb's, not that magic overpriced special stuff __________________ To each his own. Not all those who wander are lost. The great irony - triggered snowflakes accusing triggered snowflakes of being triggered snowflakes

08-29-2018, 02:59 PM	#35
Cobound - The Don - Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN Posts: 48,390	This thread has gone far enough. /thread __________________ To each his own. Not all those who wander are lost. The great irony - triggered snowflakes accusing triggered snowflakes of being triggered snowflakes

08-24-2018, 03:26 PM	#24
freerider15 shoplifter fail Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,699	I've got some balancing beads I won in a raffle from H.D. Offroad (NAXJA Event). They've been sitting on my shelf for like 3 years now

08-25-2018, 09:59 AM	#25
jeepkid05 pee pee pants Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 16,378	Ive never used beads, although I’d like to.

08-25-2018, 10:00 AM	#26
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08-31-2018, 12:15 PM	#40
6DoF AKA: jeepnski Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 16,524	the TJ front tires have a wobble to them that's getting worse, and i'm pretty sure it's the ****ty steel wheels bending AGAIN. i'm trying to keep from buying new 8-lug wheels adapters to install the beadlocks on the D30 ... but at some point wheel imbalance is the most annoying and noticeable thing around you! also blows my mind that more places don't have road force balancing. now i gotta find a new shop again :bang: