2024 Wrangler

Dennis · 05-03-2023, 09:08 AM

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024...st-look-review
Some good mechanical upgrades, but the grill in the grill breaks tradition a bit too much. Last time they made such mid-model changes to the open top Jeep would be 1980 when they switched hard top door handles on the CJ-7 from latch handles to paddle latches. Previously big change would be the CJ-5 wheel base stretch in 1972. Neither changed much traditional style.

xj_man_646 · 05-03-2023, 10:10 AM

I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to with the grill in grill comment.

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Are you referring to the pattern they have between the vertical slots?

If so, I am not a big fan of that either.

Dennis · 05-03-2023, 10:41 AM

Yup. Maybe you, Sean, or one of our other vehicle engineers can weigh in here if the is additional air flow required for new regulations or accessories. Or is it purely from the design studio?

xj_man_646 · 05-04-2023, 10:21 AM

That looks to me like its an aesthetic change, but it may have a small impact on fuel efficiency. When I was working at FCA facilities around the time that Hellcat launched, I overheard an engineer say they invest roughly $1mil for every 0.1 MPG gain in fuel economy, so every little bit can help.

6DoF · 05-08-2023, 08:14 AM

i think jeep started this whole "grill controversy" themselves to try and stir up clicks ... the core aesthetic is still there, game on.

Cobound · 05-08-2023, 10:58 AM

Round headlights and 7 slots...still present, I've moved on.

xj_man_646 · 05-08-2023, 02:28 PM

Everyone knows square headlights are for the most real of Jeeps anyway

nblehm · 05-08-2023, 07:09 PM

Jeep died in 1987. I have moved on

6DoF · 05-09-2023, 10:20 AM

bbaCJ8 · 05-12-2023, 10:58 AM

New grill looks a lot better in person, especially with an AEV bumper in front of it. It's still very clearly a Jeep, and either version of JL grill is drastically better than JK was. We've got a bunch of 2023 20th Anniversary Rubicons passing through our shop every week, which is the same grill that will start in 2024.

Airflow is definitely a factor, it's always been a limitation on these, and with the higher towing capacity it was even more of a factor. That doesn't mean aesthetics aren't a factor too, it always is. Studio played a major role I'm sure since it was due for a mid-cycle refresh. Biggest problem with them is the price tag.

Jeepin Jason · 05-22-2023, 10:35 AM

Original JL/JT grille looks way better IMHO.

Dennis · 05-22-2023, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeepin Jason

Original JL/JT grille looks way better IMHO.

Yeah. New one looks like a Renegades, and I do not mean a cool old CJ-5 or CJ-7.

Hoofmann · 05-22-2023, 07:22 PM

Everyone is so worried about the grille when 60-70% of the people who buy new Jeeps are just going to ditch it for the cheap Chinese angry grille.

Dennis · 05-22-2023, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoofmann

Everyone is so worried about the grille when 60-70% of the people who buy new Jeeps are just going to ditch it for the cheap Chinese angry grille.

Not nearly that many folks do around here. But those that do still make me sad.

Cobound · 05-24-2023, 01:53 PM

I'm ok with it, and that's all that matters to me

6DoF · 10-12-2023, 08:30 AM

i changed my mind ... the 2024 grill is stupid

Dennis · 10-12-2023, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6DoF

i changed my mind ... the 2024 grill is stupid

Cobound · 10-12-2023, 08:43 AM

Not enough changed for me to want a newer model, that’s a bigger deal than a grill alone. I’ll keep what I have regardless.

OlllllllO

Dennis · 10-18-2023, 09:59 PM

Too expensive
Too bad of a nose job
Too far removed from it origins

https://jalopnik.com/some-of-jeeps-b...bra-1850937694

Jeepin Jason · 10-19-2023, 08:17 AM

I priced out a Rubicon recently, and it was just over $70K. Now, that was basically fully loaded, with the 35" tire pkg, steel bumpers, winch, hard top, color matched flares/top, upgraded stereo, etc. Which I figure was still cheaper overall than starting with a regular Rubicon and then adding a lift, tires, bumpers, winch, etc after market. But still... that's literally Lexus GX460 money. And far more than any 4Runner. But at the same time, the Wrangler has 35" tires, bumpers, winch, etc. so it's basically fully modded up and ready to go wherever you're willing to take it. The base model Rubicon now starts are more than what my well-equipped 2016 HardRock stickered at... And the Rubicon X MSRP is 2x what I paid for my 2009 Rubicon.

05-03-2023, 09:08 AM	#1
Dennis Semper Fi ! Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 38,814	2024 Wrangler https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024...st-look-review Some good mechanical upgrades, but the grill in the grill breaks tradition a bit too much. Last time they made such mid-model changes to the open top Jeep would be 1980 when they switched hard top door handles on the CJ-7 from latch handles to paddle latches. Previously big change would be the CJ-5 wheel base stretch in 1972. Neither changed much traditional style.

05-03-2023, 10:10 AM	#2
xj_man_646 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MN Posts: 27,738	I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to with the grill in grill comment. . Are you referring to the pattern they have between the vertical slots? If so, I am not a big fan of that either. __________________ - James I like diesels

05-04-2023, 10:21 AM	#4
xj_man_646 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MN Posts: 27,738	That looks to me like its an aesthetic change, but it may have a small impact on fuel efficiency. When I was working at FCA facilities around the time that Hellcat launched, I overheard an engineer say they invest roughly $1mil for every 0.1 MPG gain in fuel economy, so every little bit can help. __________________ - James I like diesels

05-08-2023, 08:14 AM	#5
6DoF AKA: jeepnski Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 16,864	i think jeep started this whole "grill controversy" themselves to try and stir up clicks ... the core aesthetic is still there, game on. __________________ ...................................___ .................. ________\|\|___\____ ..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;\|/_(O)\______ /_(O)\|

05-08-2023, 10:58 AM	#6
Cobound - The Don - Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN Posts: 49,169	Round headlights and 7 slots...still present, I've moved on. __________________ To each his own. Not all those who wander are lost. The great irony - triggered snowflakes accusing triggered snowflakes of being triggered snowflakes

05-03-2023, 10:41 AM	#3
Dennis Semper Fi ! Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 38,814	Yup. Maybe you, Sean, or one of our other vehicle engineers can weigh in here if the is additional air flow required for new regulations or accessories. Or is it purely from the design studio?

05-08-2023, 02:28 PM	#7
xj_man_646 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: MN Posts: 27,738	Everyone knows square headlights are for the most real of Jeeps anyway __________________ - James I like diesels

05-08-2023, 07:09 PM	#8
nblehm Needs moar dagger Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 26,780	Jeep died in 1987. I have moved on

05-09-2023, 10:20 AM	#9
6DoF AKA: jeepnski Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 16,864	__________________ ...................................___ .................. ________\|\|___\____ ..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;\|/_(O)\______ /_(O)\|

05-12-2023, 10:58 AM	#10
bbaCJ8 old and boring Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 34,041	New grill looks a lot better in person, especially with an AEV bumper in front of it. It's still very clearly a Jeep, and either version of JL grill is drastically better than JK was. We've got a bunch of 2023 20th Anniversary Rubicons passing through our shop every week, which is the same grill that will start in 2024. Airflow is definitely a factor, it's always been a limitation on these, and with the higher towing capacity it was even more of a factor. That doesn't mean aesthetics aren't a factor too, it always is. Studio played a major role I'm sure since it was due for a mid-cycle refresh. Biggest problem with them is the price tag.

05-22-2023, 10:35 AM	#11
Jeepin Jason I run this joint Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 136,724	Original JL/JT grille looks way better IMHO.

05-22-2023, 07:22 PM	#13
Hoofmann AKA: Kebo Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,822	Everyone is so worried about the grille when 60-70% of the people who buy new Jeeps are just going to ditch it for the cheap Chinese angry grille.

05-24-2023, 01:53 PM	#15
Cobound - The Don - Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN Posts: 49,169	I'm ok with it, and that's all that matters to me __________________ To each his own. Not all those who wander are lost. The great irony - triggered snowflakes accusing triggered snowflakes of being triggered snowflakes

10-12-2023, 08:30 AM	#16
6DoF AKA: jeepnski Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 16,864	i changed my mind ... the 2024 grill is stupid __________________ ...................................___ .................. ________\|\|___\____ ..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;\|/_(O)\______ /_(O)\|

10-12-2023, 08:43 AM	#18
Cobound - The Don - Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN Posts: 49,169	Not enough changed for me to want a newer model, that’s a bigger deal than a grill alone. I’ll keep what I have regardless. OlllllllO __________________ To each his own. Not all those who wander are lost. The great irony - triggered snowflakes accusing triggered snowflakes of being triggered snowflakes

10-18-2023, 09:59 PM	#19
Dennis Semper Fi ! Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 38,814	Too expensive Too bad of a nose job Too far removed from it origins https://jalopnik.com/some-of-jeeps-b...bra-1850937694

10-19-2023, 08:17 AM	#20
Jeepin Jason I run this joint Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 136,724	I priced out a Rubicon recently, and it was just over $70K. Now, that was basically fully loaded, with the 35" tire pkg, steel bumpers, winch, hard top, color matched flares/top, upgraded stereo, etc. Which I figure was still cheaper overall than starting with a regular Rubicon and then adding a lift, tires, bumpers, winch, etc after market. But still... that's literally Lexus GX460 money. And far more than any 4Runner. But at the same time, the Wrangler has 35" tires, bumpers, winch, etc. so it's basically fully modded up and ready to go wherever you're willing to take it. The base model Rubicon now starts are more than what my well-equipped 2016 HardRock stickered at... And the Rubicon X MSRP is 2x what I paid for my 2009 Rubicon.