I went wheeling - Page 10

6DoF · 01-26-2021, 09:45 AM

Hoofmann · 04-06-2021, 12:48 PM

Well, I didn't have a warm fuzzy about driving my Jeep to Moab and back last weekend. I haven't had a garage in over a year and I've been pretty rough on the ol' gurl. Lots of unfinished projects and generally rode hard and put away wet. Well, the concerns were warranted. This was the roughest trip I have had yet.

I left late; on Friday morning instead of Thursday, as I was trying to cobble together something that would carry a spare tire. I didn't finish it and decided to leave anyway. The drive out was relatively painless. Great weather and zero traffic late in the morning on Friday. The Jeep quit on me one time outside of Grand Junction. I rolled it to the side of the road and turned the key to try and start it. It started and I continued on my way and made it to Moab.

Saturday sucked. After getting on Pritchett Canyon and getting about 20 minutes in, I shut my Jeep down to have a little chat. When I went to start it back up, it would crank but not start. The fuel pump wasn't firing and when I finally could get it running, the relay would fire on and off, making the engine sputter and die. I hot wired the relay for the pump and got it off the trail and back to camp, all the while, it was underpowered and wouldn't shift gears in the newly installed (last year) AW4.

On Sunday, I put the relay back in and it ran fine all day. I didn't do any wheeling because I had no confidence in it. Instead, we went to the watering hole near Potato Salad Hill. I drove up the hill on the way out, for fun.

I drove home yesterday and it was running fine until about halfway home and the trans stopped shifting again.

Overall, I had fun. I wish I had spent the week there, as I had originally planned. A long weekend just isn't enough. I need to get serious about trying to get that Jeep back to running correctly again. I haven't really looked into it yet, but it seems like two, or more different issues are at play here.

Cobound · 04-06-2021, 02:28 PM

Nice "seeing" you on Saturday

At least you made it there and home...and, no, a weekend is NOT long enough, no matter how close you live from there!

cruiser · 04-06-2021, 05:06 PM

damn that suck, bad enough when that happens around home, but on a long weekend outa town on a wheelin trip is the worst

Lubes · 04-09-2021, 05:04 AM

Glad ya made it back, new Mop!

And fukk, a week isn't enough out there...

nblehm · 04-09-2021, 08:22 AM

Ive had those trips to Moab, sucks. At least it made it back under its own power.

Hoofmann · 06-15-2021, 03:09 PM

Alright, I haven

Hoofmann · 06-15-2021, 03:10 PM

Alright, I haven’t been driving my TJ at all because it broke down on me hard. I was driving it down the highway about a month ago and it kept quitting on me like I described in my Moab trip. This time, I couldn’t get it started. When I turned the key to run, the fuel pump relay wouldn’t fire. Cranked but no start. Kept trying to get it started again and then the cranking stopped too, after about 30 min of fricking with it.

The battery is strong, I know that’s not the issue. When i turn the key to run, I get all the lights, radio, etc but no fuel pump. Then, when I turn the key to start, I get nothing. A couple of relays click under the dash but that’s it. Additionally, after a few seconds (15 or so) the odometer will read “no bus”. The check engine light isn’t even on anymore. I bet it’s burned out.

I haven’t really worked on it much, aside from reading a wiring diagram and taking a multimeter to it to find where I’m getting juice. I haven’t traced all the wires yet.

So to summarize, no fuel pump, no crank, just a couple of relays behind the dash click when I try to start it. I’m at a loss for what to do next. I might make a separate thread to garner more attention on this and try to get an answer.

Some things I think are going on are:
1. Crank Position Sensor - only because I touched it when I swapped transmissions.

2. Bad ground - just based on the intermittent and unpredictable nature.

3. Bad starter (unrelated to the way it runs, however) - I’ve been having issues with it lately but it hadn’t quit on me totally. Maybe it’s finally given up.

4. Funked wiring - I suck at wiring.

freerider15 · 06-15-2021, 03:52 PM

If you could get it up to FoCo, I'm sure you, Sam and I could get it figured out over beers

Cobound · 06-16-2021, 09:51 AM

Ugh, feel your pain...I recently got rid of an XJ cuz I had so many intermittent problems....as you mentioned, CPS, and I fixed a few wires that were cracked and grounding...a TPS, tested some other sensors and found them to be good...just wore out on it - sold it.

Thing that sucks is that I feel the PO dumped it on me knowing all of this...I was just "lucky" enough to test drive it when it was running well - it started acting up as soon as I got it home, nickel and dimed me all winter - sold it in the spring. I was UP FRONT and CLEAR w/ the buyer - he was all over it cuz of the condition anyway, says he'll just fix it - he keeps texting me like I have the answers

No, Bozo, you got a deal on it cuz I was tired of it

Probably a damn wire somewhere, dude...good luck, I don't envy you!! Take Justin up on his beer offer - he and Sam are the XJ Whisperers

Hoofmann · 06-16-2021, 10:26 AM

I’ll get it up there. . .

. . . As soon as I can get it running.

nblehm · 06-16-2021, 11:24 AM

Hit me up we will get it fixed

you still in Denver?

Hoofmann · 06-16-2021, 12:44 PM

I am still in Denver! The Jeep is parked up at my buddy’s place in Indian Hills.

freerider15 · 06-16-2021, 05:32 PM

[QUOTE=Hoofmann;66844]I am still in Denver! The Jeep is parked up at my buddy

Sir Sam · 06-20-2021, 08:39 PM

Well you can bypass the fuel pump relay and power the pump directly with a jumper wire.

"no bus" can mean that the gauge cluster isn't making good contact with the dash connector, a pretty common issue that requires reseating the gauge cluster, or tweaking the pins in the connector so it make a better connection.

Or a bad crank position sensor can also cause a "no bus" to show on the cluster.

Or a bad cluster microprocessor would give no bus.

Or a bad ECU.

Or a failure on the CCD bus, the CCD bus runs between the ECU, Cluster, Airbag computer, and SKIM(if equipped). A fault on any of the wiring to and fro could cause it, or an issue in one of those modules.

There is a junction block under the dash that all the CCD bus wires come to, it makes a convenient place to do continuity checks on the CCD wires.

Sir Sam · 06-20-2021, 08:40 PM

Hmm Indian hills? Might as well just tow it up to fairplay!

Hoofmann · 07-17-2021, 05:49 PM

Well I’m up here again working on it. Showed up today and the fuel pump fires, automatic shut down relay fires, and the starter relay does not. It’s all over the place.

Hoofmann · 08-27-2021, 04:33 PM

I figured this out last night. It was a loose connector in the engine bay.

I got under the hood and jostled some wires around and then decided to try and turn the key to start it. It started up. I had to jump it, but it started. I was genuinely perplexed, again.

With the engine running, I got under the hood and jostled the same wires around and when I touched the big connector attached at the top of the cowl, the engine died. Bingo.

On one hand, I feel dumb because it took me so long to figure it out and on the other hand, I’m just glad it’s back!

LET’S GO WHEELIN!!!

jeepkid05 · 08-28-2021, 06:33 AM

It’s nice when it’s something that easy like a bad ground etc. glad you got it sorted

freerider15 · 08-31-2021, 11:16 AM

Niceeee.

Did Holy Cross weekend before last. I've got basically one month until I'm nixed from wheeling. Was thinking maybe a Carnage/Indy weekend, if I don't hit up something like 10 Falls instead.

04-06-2021, 12:48 PM	#2
Hoofmann AKA: Kebo Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,716	Trip Report, EJS 2021 Well, I didn't have a warm fuzzy about driving my Jeep to Moab and back last weekend. I haven't had a garage in over a year and I've been pretty rough on the ol' gurl. Lots of unfinished projects and generally rode hard and put away wet. Well, the concerns were warranted. This was the roughest trip I have had yet. I left late; on Friday morning instead of Thursday, as I was trying to cobble together something that would carry a spare tire. I didn't finish it and decided to leave anyway. The drive out was relatively painless. Great weather and zero traffic late in the morning on Friday. The Jeep quit on me one time outside of Grand Junction. I rolled it to the side of the road and turned the key to try and start it. It started and I continued on my way and made it to Moab. Saturday sucked. After getting on Pritchett Canyon and getting about 20 minutes in, I shut my Jeep down to have a little chat. When I went to start it back up, it would crank but not start. The fuel pump wasn't firing and when I finally could get it running, the relay would fire on and off, making the engine sputter and die. I hot wired the relay for the pump and got it off the trail and back to camp, all the while, it was underpowered and wouldn't shift gears in the newly installed (last year) AW4. On Sunday, I put the relay back in and it ran fine all day. I didn't do any wheeling because I had no confidence in it. Instead, we went to the watering hole near Potato Salad Hill. I drove up the hill on the way out, for fun. I drove home yesterday and it was running fine until about halfway home and the trans stopped shifting again. Overall, I had fun. I wish I had spent the week there, as I had originally planned. A long weekend just isn't enough. I need to get serious about trying to get that Jeep back to running correctly again. I haven't really looked into it yet, but it seems like two, or more different issues are at play here.

04-06-2021, 02:28 PM	#3
Cobound - The Don - Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN Posts: 48,466	Nice "seeing" you on Saturday At least you made it there and home...and, no, a weekend is NOT long enough, no matter how close you live from there! __________________ To each his own. Not all those who wander are lost. The great irony - triggered snowflakes accusing triggered snowflakes of being triggered snowflakes

06-15-2021, 03:09 PM	#7
Hoofmann AKA: Kebo Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,716	I haven Alright, I haven

06-15-2021, 03:10 PM	#8
Hoofmann AKA: Kebo Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,716	Alright, I haven’t been driving my TJ at all because it broke down on me hard. I was driving it down the highway about a month ago and it kept quitting on me like I described in my Moab trip. This time, I couldn’t get it started. When I turned the key to run, the fuel pump relay wouldn’t fire. Cranked but no start. Kept trying to get it started again and then the cranking stopped too, after about 30 min of fricking with it. The battery is strong, I know that’s not the issue. When i turn the key to run, I get all the lights, radio, etc but no fuel pump. Then, when I turn the key to start, I get nothing. A couple of relays click under the dash but that’s it. Additionally, after a few seconds (15 or so) the odometer will read “no bus”. The check engine light isn’t even on anymore. I bet it’s burned out. I haven’t really worked on it much, aside from reading a wiring diagram and taking a multimeter to it to find where I’m getting juice. I haven’t traced all the wires yet. So to summarize, no fuel pump, no crank, just a couple of relays behind the dash click when I try to start it. I’m at a loss for what to do next. I might make a separate thread to garner more attention on this and try to get an answer. Some things I think are going on are: 1. Crank Position Sensor - only because I touched it when I swapped transmissions. 2. Bad ground - just based on the intermittent and unpredictable nature. 3. Bad starter (unrelated to the way it runs, however) - I’ve been having issues with it lately but it hadn’t quit on me totally. Maybe it’s finally given up. 4. Funked wiring - I suck at wiring. Last edited by Hoofmann; 06-16-2021 at 04:34 PM.

06-16-2021, 09:51 AM	#10
Cobound - The Don - Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN Posts: 48,466	Ugh, feel your pain...I recently got rid of an XJ cuz I had so many intermittent problems....as you mentioned, CPS, and I fixed a few wires that were cracked and grounding...a TPS, tested some other sensors and found them to be good...just wore out on it - sold it. Thing that sucks is that I feel the PO dumped it on me knowing all of this...I was just "lucky" enough to test drive it when it was running well - it started acting up as soon as I got it home, nickel and dimed me all winter - sold it in the spring. I was UP FRONT and CLEAR w/ the buyer - he was all over it cuz of the condition anyway, says he'll just fix it - he keeps texting me like I have the answers No, Bozo, you got a deal on it cuz I was tired of it Probably a damn wire somewhere, dude...good luck, I don't envy you!! Take Justin up on his beer offer - he and Sam are the XJ Whisperers __________________ To each his own. Not all those who wander are lost. The great irony - triggered snowflakes accusing triggered snowflakes of being triggered snowflakes

01-26-2021, 09:45 AM	#1
6DoF AKA: jeepnski Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 16,551

04-06-2021, 05:06 PM	#4
cruiser me like lots Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,735	damn that suck, bad enough when that happens around home, but on a long weekend outa town on a wheelin trip is the worst

04-09-2021, 05:04 AM	#5
Lubes alcoholic little wombat Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 23,404	Glad ya made it back, new Mop! And fukk, a week isn't enough out there...

04-09-2021, 08:22 AM	#6
nblehm Needs moar dagger Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 26,692	Ive had those trips to Moab, sucks. At least it made it back under its own power.

06-15-2021, 03:52 PM	#9
freerider15 shoplifter fail Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,699	If you could get it up to FoCo, I'm sure you, Sam and I could get it figured out over beers

06-16-2021, 10:26 AM	#11
Hoofmann AKA: Kebo Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,716	I’ll get it up there. . . . . . As soon as I can get it running.

06-16-2021, 11:24 AM	#12
nblehm Needs moar dagger Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 26,692	Hit me up we will get it fixed you still in Denver?

06-16-2021, 12:44 PM	#13
Hoofmann AKA: Kebo Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,716	I am still in Denver! The Jeep is parked up at my buddy’s place in Indian Hills.

06-16-2021, 05:32 PM	#14
freerider15 shoplifter fail Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,699	[QUOTE=Hoofmann;66844]I am still in Denver! The Jeep is parked up at my buddy

06-20-2021, 08:39 PM	#15
Sir Sam Working Mother Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 19,881	Well you can bypass the fuel pump relay and power the pump directly with a jumper wire. "no bus" can mean that the gauge cluster isn't making good contact with the dash connector, a pretty common issue that requires reseating the gauge cluster, or tweaking the pins in the connector so it make a better connection. Or a bad crank position sensor can also cause a "no bus" to show on the cluster. Or a bad cluster microprocessor would give no bus. Or a bad ECU. Or a failure on the CCD bus, the CCD bus runs between the ECU, Cluster, Airbag computer, and SKIM(if equipped). A fault on any of the wiring to and fro could cause it, or an issue in one of those modules. There is a junction block under the dash that all the CCD bus wires come to, it makes a convenient place to do continuity checks on the CCD wires.

06-20-2021, 08:40 PM	#16
Sir Sam Working Mother Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 19,881	Hmm Indian hills? Might as well just tow it up to fairplay!

07-17-2021, 05:49 PM	#17
Hoofmann AKA: Kebo Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,716	Well I’m up here again working on it. Showed up today and the fuel pump fires, automatic shut down relay fires, and the starter relay does not. It’s all over the place.

08-27-2021, 04:33 PM	#18
Hoofmann AKA: Kebo Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,716	I figured this out last night. It was a loose connector in the engine bay. I got under the hood and jostled some wires around and then decided to try and turn the key to start it. It started up. I had to jump it, but it started. I was genuinely perplexed, again. With the engine running, I got under the hood and jostled the same wires around and when I touched the big connector attached at the top of the cowl, the engine died. Bingo. On one hand, I feel dumb because it took me so long to figure it out and on the other hand, I’m just glad it’s back! LET’S GO WHEELIN!!!

08-28-2021, 06:33 AM	#19
jeepkid05 pee pee pants Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 16,378	It’s nice when it’s something that easy like a bad ground etc. glad you got it sorted

08-31-2021, 11:16 AM	#20
freerider15 shoplifter fail Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,699	Niceeee. Did Holy Cross weekend before last. I've got basically one month until I'm nixed from wheeling. Was thinking maybe a Carnage/Indy weekend, if I don't hit up something like 10 Falls instead.