JL Wrangler! Discuss!

[Jeepin Jason]

FOUR WHEELER actually has a great write-up on the new JL Wrangler:

http://www.fourwheeler.com/news/1711-first-look-2018-jeep-wrangler-rubicon/

There are a ton of press release photos from Jeep at the bottom of the article if you're just interested in seeing what it looks like.

Here are some highlights of the "little changes" made to improve the JL over the JK:

- HVAC vents in the center console for rear seat passengers

- The Sport Bar is now full length and body colored, looking great when the top is off. It is made from high-strength blow-molded steel and exceeds all current roof crush standards. Long gone is the padding covered in grey fabric that would turn purple after a season in the sun, replaced by durable plastic panels.

- The Jeep team did their best to ensure every bolt the owner of the JL touched was the same size.

- The windshield still folds down and it only takes four bolts and about five minutes. Removing two hinge pins allows the windshield to be removed from the Jeep completely! Jeep also uses better corrosion protection on the hinges, and paints them in a way that folding down the windshield won’t break any paint. When the windshield is folded down, the sun visors stay with the Jeep.

- JL doors are self-closing and come with check straps and detents that are easily disconnected when removing the doors. The doors, now made of aluminum, are 30 percent lighter than a JK door. The hinge pins are now different lengths to aide in reinstalling the doors after a day on the trail.

- When the check straps are removed, the doors will no longer swing all the way open and dent your cowl with the mirror.

- The cowl panels now have two fasteners that solely exist to bolt on aftermarket accessories. Behind the cowl panel, these bolts are supported by body structure. We are excited to see what the aftermarket does here.

- The hard top is still composite, but the Freedom panels are now 20 percent lighter than the ones found on a JK, making them easier to remove.

- The hard top now has full-length drip rails to support a variety of roof rack systems without having to drill any holes in your top. With a rating of 100 pounds, we bet you could even use the rails to lift the top of your Jeep if you have a winch or pulley system in your garage.

- Soft tops come standard in vinyl, but have a premium cloth upgrade that has to be seen and felt. It truly gives a new meaning to the term soft top. Black and tan colors are both available.

- Soft tops are now zipper-free and can be operated by one person. The channels make sliding the side and rear panels out incredibly easy, and the soft tops offer different configurations, such as a factory Sunrider position, full down, or removing just the side and rear panels, but keeping the roof up for shade. The floating roof design has no corner structure, opening up outward visibility and cargo access.

- A power top is also available for those that just don’t want to mess with a manual top. Full removal is not recommended.

- Rock rail strength has been improved.

- There are now 75 safety features available on the Wrangler, ranging from side airbags and rear park assist to blind spot sensing and rear cross path detection.

- The vacuum accumulator is no longer mounted at the front of the Jeep and doesn’t need to be relocated to run a winch.

- When installing a lift, the front driveshaft no longer interferes with the exhaust.

- The call button on the steering wheel has been moved inboard, closer to the horn so that you don’t accidentally make calls when wheeling.

- Steel bumpers are optional on the Rubicon.

- Designers, wanting to cleanup the JL’s outward appearance made sure all of the hinges and door handles line up and are no longer offset.

-The hood latches have been redesigned with a gap to hold a remote winch controller cable out of the way when winching from the passenger cabin.

-The larger steering stabilizer has been relocated to better protect it from rock hits.

-Say goodbye to the obstinate twist knobs on the Freedom panels, as they've been replaced with quarter-turn latch mechanisms.

[FUBAR]

I think it's pretty good. I have no problems with it other than the price.

[Cobound]

Yes, I'm super excited to see it! Totally stoked with the changes they've made...so many haters it makes me laugh.

My wife actually said, after having her TJ now that she absolutely loves, that she might be ready for another 4 door :lol: Of course, she's not getting one at the prices it's going for :roflmao:

Anyway, can't wait to see it in person, the vids are great but can't do it justice! Well thought out this go round!

Excited to see what AEV, TNT, Metalcloak, Poison Spyder and all the others have for it...too bad Easter Jeep will likely be too soon to have them ready!

[Nefarious]

Maybe in 20 years Ill be able to buy one

[Cobound]

That's it, too. They are NOT going to be cheap...but neither are the current loaded models.

Christ, on that note, I'm hoping an AEV Hemi built Brute Double Cab might actually come down enough for me...I'd forgo a JL to snag one :p

Maybe it'll take 20 years for that, too :lol:
I mean, I've wanted one since '98 and still waiting :roflmao:

[6DoF]

sounds amazing!

[Cobound]

The more pix I see, descriptions I read...damn, they really did think of some small details and had the off road community in mind on this build!

I mean, Mopar likely did it because they have a ton of aftermarket stuff to sell the average Joe to jack up the cost of the vehicle they're gonna buy...but still, well thought out none the less for all the rest of us!

Moab is gonna be flooded w/ these!!

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Sick!

The Scrambler details can't come soon enough :rant:

[BanditXJ]

- The Jeep team did their best to ensure every bolt the owner of the JL touched was the same size.



If they had literally changed nothing else, this alone would make me a fan.

[XJAndy]

Power top, fancy.

[Dennis]

The more pix I see, descriptions I read...damn, they really did think of some small details and had the off road community in mind on this build!

I mean, Mopar likely did it because they have a ton of aftermarket stuff to sell the average Joe to jack up the cost of the vehicle they're gonna buy...but still, well thought out none the less for all the rest of us!

Moab is gonna be flooded w/ these!!

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24291606_1756913307666954_6796102666368119680_o.jp g?oh=1d3078ae5052aa0e2d8a35911dab0e56&oe=5A9DDD33

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Sick!

The Scrambler details can't come soon enough :rant:Now, if they would just have a program to get all that installed on the assembly line rather than have some of the dealership flunkies and apprentices installing them, I would be happy to roll it all up at the time of purchase.

[Cobound]

Now, if they would just have a program to get all that installed on the assembly line rather than have some of the dealership flunkies and apprentices installing them, I would be happy to roll it all up at the time of purchase.

Honestly, I'd guess they will have some sort of factory option down the road...it's all getting rolling now.

They will most definitely have dealers doing them...some will specialize in them while other dealers will continue to do nothing but sell Ram trucks or minivans...but the dealers that get it will have dedicated service bays assigned to do just this. Companies that partnered w/ AEV - like Pollard, Trail Jeeps, Burnsville of MN, etc...will charge you plenty to do it "right".

I think there are still too many aftermarket options for Jeep to straight up build them spec sheet like that from the factory. You'll still want to do some mods after you get one w/ all the bits - no different than building up a Rubicon now...Rubicon is that "from the factory" built Jeep.

Damn, the ability to toss on 35s from the day you drive it off the lot :eek:

[champ]

Now, if they would just have a program to get all that installed on the assembly line rather than have some of the dealership flunkies and apprentices installing them, I would be happy to roll it all up at the time of purchase.

Now, maybe it's just my jaded view from the heavy equipment side, but I rather have a dealership install said parts. :lol:

[Dennis]

Now, maybe it's just my jaded view from the heavy equipment side, but I rather have a dealership install said parts. :lol:I have never had immediate happy results from aftermarket suspension mods. But stories from my cousin who used to assemble those huge Cat Mining Trucks in the field, I totally get what you are saying.

[nblehm]

- The call button on the steering wheel has been moved inboard, closer to the horn so that you don’t accidentally make calls when wheeling.

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I don't know why bu tbd this made me :lol:


Now, if they would just have a program to get all that installed on the assembly line rather than have some of the dealership flunkies and apprentices installing them, I would be happy to roll it all up at the time of purchase.

:rolleyes:

[bbaCJ8]

I like it a lot. Tons of good features and they updated it to meet lots of requirements without watering down what a Jeep is supposed to be. I'm amazed how many people are whining about it, but that's just what they like to do. I've seen a few in person, they're so similar to JK that at first it's tough to tell what looks "off" but once you realize it's JL there are lots of nice noticeable features, like the grill shape, fender vents, etc. Good looking rig with lots of great features and options.

[Dennis]

:rolleyes:I am sure that some of the Colorado dealerships have more than competent installer/mechanics. Around here it is a struggle to find such a thing. But still, I would prefer to have all the bolts torqued down one time at the factory to spec than have stuff removed and reinstalled if possible. I realize that is a pipe dream, and that there are definite exceptions to this such as the AEV crew and some others such as you, Nate.

[6DoF]

I like it a lot. Tons of good features and they updated it to meet lots of requirements without watering down what a Jeep is supposed to be. I'm amazed how many people are whining about it, but that's just what they like to do. I've seen a few in person, they're so similar to JK that at first it's tough to tell what looks "off" but once you realize it's JL there are lots of nice noticeable features, like the grill shape, fender vents, etc. Good looking rig with lots of great features and options.

i was guna say, figured you'd driven one months ago.

[bbaCJ8]

Despite lots of similarities to JK, the JL is doing many things a lot different as well. JK had tons of parts commonality between models, where JL has huge differences between them. The Rubicon package has more unique features than ever before....wider axles, entirely different fender flares and wheel liners(37" tires should easily fit with 2" lift), etc. More complexity and options across the lineup than ever before, including tops, doors, stylized hoods, steel bumpers, packages, etc. From what I've heard, despite the Wrangler's history of being a rugged utilitarian offroader, the JL is refined and comfy, basically a Grand Cherokee with solid axles. Like it or not, that's what sells vehicles. People aren't going out and dropping $45k for a noisy, clunky, uncomfortable Jeep they can do the occasional offroading with, that's just not the market for new vehicles. Soccer moms buy them, weekend warriors who need a good daily driver buy them. Hardcore offroaders will be buying up the used models of the previous generation as the current owners upgrade to the new one. I give Jeep a lot of credit, they designed and built something that will sell, and they did it without taking away from the capabilities and heritage of the iconic vehicle.

i was guna say, figured you'd driven one months ago.
Nah. Everyone thinks AEV has a huge leg up on getting vehicles, data, etc, but that's pretty far from the truth. Mopar treats most companies as competitors because they/we are. I've seen some on the roads due to my vicinity to the tech center and proving grounds but that's about it. We've got lots of concepts in the works but are waiting on vehicles to arrive before we can finalize designs and kick off production. JL is going to force lots of companies to change up their game a bit, they're now offering so many different features like hoods and bumpers that many companies offering aftermarket parts will have to work extra hard to come up with stuff more appealing than the long list of factory options.

[Cobound]

I like it a lot. Tons of good features and they updated it to meet lots of requirements without watering down what a Jeep is supposed to be. I'm amazed how many people are whining about it, but that's just what they like to do. I've seen a few in person, they're so similar to JK that at first it's tough to tell what looks "off" but once you realize it's JL there are lots of nice noticeable features, like the grill shape, fender vents, etc. Good looking rig with lots of great features and options.



Despite lots of similarities to JK, the JL is doing many things a lot different as well. JK had tons of parts commonality between models, where JL has huge differences between them. The Rubicon package has more unique features than ever before....wider axles, entirely different fender flares and wheel liners(37" tires should easily fit with 2" lift), etc. More complexity and options across the lineup than ever before, including tops, doors, stylized hoods, steel bumpers, packages, etc. From what I've heard, despite the Wrangler's history of being a rugged utilitarian offroader, the JL is refined and comfy, basically a Grand Cherokee with solid axles. Like it or not, that's what sells vehicles. People aren't going out and dropping $45k for a noisy, clunky, uncomfortable Jeep they can do the occasional offroading with, that's just not the market for new vehicles. Soccer moms buy them, weekend warriors who need a good daily driver buy them. Hardcore offroaders will be buying up the used models of the previous generation as the current owners upgrade to the new one. I give Jeep a lot of credit, they designed and built something that will sell, and they did it without taking away from the capabilities and heritage of the iconic vehicle.


Nah. Everyone thinks AEV has a huge leg up on getting vehicles, data, etc, but that's pretty far from the truth. Mopar treats most companies as competitors because they/we are. I've seen some on the roads due to my vicinity to the tech center and proving grounds but that's about it. We've got lots of concepts in the works but are waiting on vehicles to arrive before we can finalize designs and kick off production. JL is going to force lots of companies to change up their game a bit, they're now offering so many different features like hoods and bumpers that many companies offering aftermarket parts will have to work extra hard to come up with stuff more appealing than the long list of factory options.


:thumbsup:

[xj_man_646]

i was guna say, figured you'd driven one months ago.

:wave:

[Dennis]

Despite lots of similarities to JK, the JL is doing many things a lot different as well. JK had tons of parts commonality between models, where JL has huge differences between them. The Rubicon package has more unique features than ever before....wider axles, entirely different fender flares and wheel liners(37" tires should easily fit with 2" lift), etc. More complexity and options across the lineup than ever before, including tops, doors, stylized hoods, steel bumpers, packages, etc. From what I've heard, despite the Wrangler's history of being a rugged utilitarian offroader, the JL is refined and comfy, basically a Grand Cherokee with solid axles. Like it or not, that's what sells vehicles. People aren't going out and dropping $45k for a noisy, clunky, uncomfortable Jeep they can do the occasional offroading with, that's just not the market for new vehicles. Soccer moms buy them, weekend warriors who need a good daily driver buy them. Hardcore offroaders will be buying up the used models of the previous generation as the current owners upgrade to the new one. I give Jeep a lot of credit, they designed and built something that will sell, and they did it without taking away from the capabilities and heritage of the iconic vehicle.


Nah. Everyone thinks AEV has a huge leg up on getting vehicles, data, etc, but that's pretty far from the truth. Mopar treats most companies as competitors because they/we are. I've seen some on the roads due to my vicinity to the tech center and proving grounds but that's about it. We've got lots of concepts in the works but are waiting on vehicles to arrive before we can finalize designs and kick off production. JL is going to force lots of companies to change up their game a bit, they're now offering so many different features like hoods and bumpers that many companies offering aftermarket parts will have to work extra hard to come up with stuff more appealing than the long list of factory options.The Hardcore crew has always waited around for used, nothing new there. It sounds like they really did this one right. I will never agree with turn signals on the fenders instead of the grill, but I guys that helps them with sales in the rest of the world. I am a bit weary thinking of the premium that is going to be asked for all those factory options. Will be holding on to the JK at least another four years when my oldest will be 16, and might pass it on to him. But, will be keeping an eye out for the JL that screams DENNIS.

[bbaCJ8]

The Hardcore crew has always waited around for used, nothing new there.
I'm not claiming it's anything new, I'm just saying that's why they keep getting increasingly refined and comfy. The hardcore enthusiasts who are the first to b1tch about the changes and updates are also the least likely to buy a new one. Fortunately the OEM is smart enough to know that.

[FUBAR]

I'm not claiming it's anything new, I'm just saying that's why they keep getting increasingly refined and comfy. The hardcore enthusiasts who are the first to b1tch about the changes and updates are also the least likely to buy a new one. Fortunately the OEM is smart enough to know that.

If you're talking about buggy and truggy people, then I agree. But almost everyone in the local jeep club has a JK and many are wheeling the piss out of them brand new.

[xj_man_646]

I will never agree with turn signals on the fenders instead of the grill, but I guys that helps them with sales in the rest of the world.

I believe it specifically allows them to sell the vehicles in the US for safety regulations.

Did this not start with the TJ, or were the fender flare lights only reflectors and had no actual illumination?
edit: looks like they were actual lights from what I can see, which explains why that trend is continuing.

[FUBAR]

I believe it specifically allows them to sell the vehicles in the US for safety regulations.

Did this not start with the TJ, or were the fender flare lights only reflectors and had no actual illumination?
edit: looks like they were actual lights from what I can see, which explains why that trend is continuing.

My CJ has working lights in the fenders.

[bbaCJ8]

I believe it specifically allows them to sell the vehicles in the US for safety regulations.

Did this not start with the TJ, or were the fender flare lights only reflectors and had no actual illumination?
edit: looks like they were actual lights from what I can see, which explains why that trend is continuing.
They've had working lights in the fender flare area since at least CJ days, but the main front turn signals went out of the grill and into the fenders for the TJ, then back to grill for JK, and now back to the flares for JL. The JL version is also a DRL.

[FUBAR]

https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/aa696a7f27c934692874e668de968c24/205926343/Wrangler-chart-1.jpg

[FUBAR]

https://s.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/aad3a29d52c6473cbf9870a9670905f5/205926359/Wrangler-chart-2.jpg

[bbaCJ8]

Pricing seems fishy. Standard is probably the Pentastar, and yeah the rare and cheaper 6 speed manual is the "base transmission". I don't see the 3.6L and 8 speed auto being a $3500 option on top of that.

[6DoF]

pretty solid run-down ... even thought the guy is kind of a turd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLj9D4vo56Q

[Cobound]

Turd is putting it lightly :squint:

[BanditXJ]

Turd is putting it lightly :squint:


This video brought you and hosted by Mathesar from Galaxy Quest (https://youtu.be/hipJD6K46Hg?t=47)

[6DoF]

:lol:

[6DoF]

i'll give Fiat some credit here, i think they did good as long as the quality is there and parts don't just bend/break. they have literally accounted for everything that basically 98% of ppl who buy em want to do. they have also slashed the aftermarket for smalls, so it'll also be interesting to see what they come up with for it.

[Cobound]

Good Lord, Bandit :lol:

Never seen that movie, not sure I ever will :roflmao:

i'll give Fiat some credit here, i think they did good as long as the quality is there and parts don't just bend/break. they have literally accounted for everything that basically 98% of ppl who buy em want to do. they have also slashed the aftermarket for smalls, so it'll also be interesting to see what they come up with for it.

Ditto.

[Dennis]

i'll give Fiat some credit here, i think they did good as long as the quality is there and parts don't just bend/break. they have literally accounted for everything that basically 98% of ppl who buy em want to do. they have also slashed the aftermarket for smalls, so it'll also be interesting to see what they come up with for it.Just had to replace my radiator where the seam between the metal coil meets the plastic. Thing should have lasted far longer than 40K. :mad:

[Cobound]

Just had to replace my radiator where the seam between the metal coil meets the plastic. Thing should have lasted far longer than 40K. :mad:

Isn't that covered under warranty?

[Dennis]

Isn't that covered under warranty?It was 4k miles ago. :mad:
It is not attached to the engine, so the water pump has a 5/100k warranty, and the hoses attached to the water pump are covered, but the radiator isn't.
Parts Covered
The Powertrain Limited Warranty covers these parts and
components of your vehicle’s powertrain supplied by
Chrysler Group LLC:
Gasoline Engine:
cylinder block and all internal parts; cylinder head
assemblies; timing case, timing chain, timing belt, gears
and sprockets; vibration damper; oil pump; water pump
and housing; intake and exhaust manifolds; flywheel
with starter ring gear; core plugs; valve covers; oil pan;
turbocharger housing and internal parts; turbocharger
wastegate actuator; supercharger; serpentine belt tensioner;
seals and gaskets for listed components only.

[Cobound]

That's absolute BS! :mad:

[Blue XJ]

It was 4k miles ago. :mad:
It is not attached to the engine, so the water pump has a 5/100k warranty, and the hoses attached to the water pump are covered, but the radiator isn't.


Is the entire hose covered, or just the half that is on the water pump side? :rolleyes: They do anything they can to avoid paying.

[Dennis]

Is the entire hose covered, or just the half that is on the water pump side? :rolleyes: They do anything they can to avoid paying.
Didn't need a hose, so don't know. I figure if it had to be replaced with a bad pump they cover it. If it had to be replaced with a bad radiator, they wouldn't.
:mad:

[Dennis]

That's absolute BS! :mad:Total BS. Absolutely no signs of abuse or external stress. Just a badly built example. :mad: The Xj was built solid the final week of XJ production with the pride of finishing up the run, but the JK has all the signs of being built the last weeks before Summer break for the new model year turn over.

[bbaCJ8]

i'll give Fiat some credit here, i think they did good as long as the quality is there and parts don't just bend/break. they have literally accounted for everything that basically 98% of ppl who buy em want to do. they have also slashed the aftermarket for smalls, so it'll also be interesting to see what they come up with for it.
Yep Mopar hates competition and they've been missing out on a huge market for Jeep stuff for years. I mean they've had stuff available, but nothing to this level. They really stepped it up this time and have lots of good offerings that the competitors(including us) normally offer. We're having to change up our game for sure. It's gonna hurt a lot of smaller aftermarket companies, but the larger more established ones that have already been trying to come up with new, innovative products will hopefully be able to stay ahead of the curve. Mopar is pretty much just catching up to what the aftermarket has been offering for the JK for 5-10 years, so the good aftermarket companies will be able to offer something new and different that Mopar isn't doing yet. All that OEM red tape really bogs them down!

Total BS. Absolutely no signs of abuse or external stress. Just a badly built example. :mad: The Xj was built solid the final week of XJ production with the pride of finishing up the run, but the JK has all the signs of being built the last weeks before Summer break for the new model year turn over.
Premature radiator failure seems to be a very common problem on the 3.6 JKs. I haven't looked into what the likely cause is, whether it's design flaw or bad manufacturing, but I've read about failures time and again online. I'm a little surprised there's no TSB or recall, but I guess since it's not safety related and is easy for them to point the fingers elsewhere, they managed to dodge that bullet.

[6DoF]

Premature radiator failure seems to be a very common problem on the 3.6 JKs. I haven't looked into what the likely cause is, whether it's design flaw or bad manufacturing, but I've read about failures time and again online. I'm a little surprised there's no TSB or recall, but I guess since it's not safety related and is easy for them to point the fingers elsewhere, they managed to dodge that bullet.

TSB reads: If water is coming out, it's not supposed to. replace with one that doesn't let water out.:roflmao:

[Dennis]

Yep Mopar hates competition and they've been missing out on a huge market for Jeep stuff for years. I mean they've had stuff available, but nothing to this level. They really stepped it up this time and have lots of good offerings that the competitors(including us) normally offer. We're having to change up our game for sure. It's gonna hurt a lot of smaller aftermarket companies, but the larger more established ones that have already been trying to come up with new, innovative products will hopefully be able to stay ahead of the curve. Mopar is pretty much just catching up to what the aftermarket has been offering for the JK for 5-10 years, so the good aftermarket companies will be able to offer something new and different that Mopar isn't doing yet. All that OEM red tape really bogs them down!


I thought that AEV supplied a lot of those Mopar items like the Moab and Rubicon X bumpers and hoods?

[Dennis]

Premature radiator failure seems to be a very common problem on the 3.6 JKs. I haven't looked into what the likely cause is, whether it's design flaw or bad manufacturing, but I've read about failures time and again online. I'm a little surprised there's no TSB or recall, but I guess since it's not safety related and is easy for them to point the fingers elsewhere, they managed to dodge that bullet.

TSB reads: If water is coming out, it's not supposed to. replace with one that doesn't let water out.:roflmao:
Kept my receipt, maybe I can get reimbursed if they ever admit to the failings. Doubt it, but a guy can dream, can't he?

[bbaCJ8]

I thought that AEV supplied a lot of those Mopar items like the Moab and Rubicon X bumpers and hoods?
There are a few, but it's handled in unique ways. AEV is very much a competitor of Mopar and the relationship isn't what most think. From what I gather Mopar often has their hands tied by things like OEM FMVSS(federal motor vehicle safety standards) and aren't able to do all the cool stuff a lot of other aftermarket companies can, so things aren't as simple or friendly as they seem. I always thought otherwise too.

[Dennis]

There are a few, but it's handled in unique ways. AEV is very much a competitor of Mopar and the relationship isn't what most think. From what I gather Mopar often has their hands tied by things like OEM FMVSS(federal motor vehicle safety standards) and aren't able to do all the cool stuff a lot of other aftermarket companies can, so things aren't as simple or friendly as they seem. I always thought otherwise too.So, do you have a code for friends to get a discount on AEV rear bumpers? :D I wish to not give Chrysler any insurance money to replace my rear bumper after getting rear ended last weekend.

[bbaCJ8]

So, do you have a code for friends to get a discount on AEV rear bumpers? :D I wish to not give Chrysler any insurance money to replace my rear bumper after getting rear ended last weekend.
I can most likely get you 20% off. If you make any for sure decisions about what you want to do, shoot me a PM and we'll talk details.

[Dennis]

I can most likely get you 20% off. If you make any for sure decisions about what you want to do, shoot me a PM and we'll talk details.
Awesome! Thanks!

[Dennis]

The pickups are on the road testing in SoCal! Maybe available by Summer as a 2019?
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25443032_10210904579745683_4128321007390199002_n.j pg?oh=7391ed8b168f074c29389376643365ca&oe=5AB1F0DE

[bbaCJ8]

The pickups are on the road testing in SoCal! Maybe available by Summer as a 2019?
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25443032_10210904579745683_4128321007390199002_n.j pg?oh=7391ed8b168f074c29389376643365ca&oe=5AB1F0DE
They've been running around SE Michigan for close to 6 months. Those are still pretty camo'd, but regular JLs have been running around here naked for a couple months now. Passed one on the highway this morning on my way to a supplier.

[Dennis]

Hoping that they will do a shorter bed for the four door. What I have seen has the awkward proportions of the H3T. Understand the greater utility, but figure anyone getting a JL pickup is going for style. Anyone going for utility should just get a cheaper regular pickup.

[Cobound]

As much good as they've done w/ the JL...I just hope they don't really fuk up the truck!

I've seriously held off pushing for a Brute DC because I wanted a more affordable Jeep truck...but man, I'm a bit nervous it'll not be what I'm hoping it will be.

HOWEVER, I do like all the new JL bits...so who knows. I wait, cuz it'll surely be cheaper than an AEV :lol:

I just wanna see the damn thing already :banghead:

[6DoF]

and why are they still in camo? we've seen everything fwd of the fawking bed, we know wtf it is, and i bet the taillights/flares n all that jazz in the back are the same too. fine, don't release it till summer, but why bother with the camo??

[JEEPJERK]

and why are they still in camo? we've seen everything fwd of the fawking bed, we know wtf it is, and i bet the taillights/flares n all that jazz in the back are the same too. fine, don't release it till summer, but why bother with the camo??

south korea

[Cobound]

and why are they still in camo? we've seen everything fwd of the fawking bed, we know wtf it is, and i bet the taillights/flares n all that jazz in the back are the same too. fine, don't release it till summer, but why bother with the camo??

Right :banghead:

[xj_man_646]

and why are they still in camo? we've seen everything fwd of the fawking bed, we know wtf it is, and i bet the taillights/flares n all that jazz in the back are the same too. fine, don't release it till summer, but why bother with the camo??

Its possible that the trucks still have heavy camo from early development, and now FCA has reduced the requirements for it, but it hasn't been removed.

That is the story with one of our JL's...it still has full camo even though FCA doesn't require it on them anymore. The vehicle just hasn't gone back to get it removed yet.

[Jeepin Jason]

ACE Engineering already has a JLU that they're working on. They've already got rock sliders and some cowl risers for ditch lights. And it's already sitting on 35s.

[Jeepin Jason]

Hoping that they will do a shorter bed for the four door. What I have seen has the awkward proportions of the H3T. Understand the greater utility, but figure anyone getting a JL pickup is going for style. Anyone going for utility should just get a cheaper regular pickup.

The JT bed should be about the same size as a Tacoma short bed. Any shorter and they'd loose out on truck customers. This is meant to be a real competitor in the mid-size truck market, not another Explorer Sport-Trac.

Proportionally it should be nearly identical to the AEV Brute DC. It's just that nearly all Brute DCs are lifted and sitting on 35s or 37s, so they look much better proportioned.

The big issue for the JT's proprotions is the Wrangler's traditionally long nose. There's a huge amount of space between the front wheels and the front doors compared to something like a Tacoma. This in turn makes the vehicle longer overall. The JT's overall length and wheelbase should be very close to that of the Tacoma 4dr long bed, but the JT will have a short bed on it.

[Cobound]

They dropped the Unlimited moniker for this model...it's just 2 door and 4 door now.

[Jeepin Jason]

edit: not entirely true. They do seem to be downplaying the "Unlimited" moniker in marketing text, but the badging on the side still reads "Wrangler Unlimited"

http://www.aceengineeringandfab.com/assets/images/ACEJLRS4DR-B.jpg

[Sir Sam]

Ugh, I always hated the unlimited term.

[Cobound]

Looks like some aftermarket shops got to peek at them this last week...should start to see some things coming out shortly.

Looks like AEV actually GOT one on hand, at the shop :eek:

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26219693_902893838210_6439171150308048163_n.jpg?oh =731b5a1726175be843b43cc3d3101e1c&oe=5ABA2F13

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26230230_902894392100_2136647563818095498_n.jpg?oh =fcb4c2ea917e128f95c4d492adb035c7&oe=5AF6ABA7

Bob just got to check it out, by the sounds of it...nothing in hand yet.

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26219127_902893853180_7355357657485539168_n.jpg?oh =6c6433b5abf9f872a2fb03959a4414f4&oe=5AE5BBF9

Can't wait to see what comes first, and how they truly differentiate them from the JK!

Everyone says something about the fenders...honestly, they don't bother me all that much :dunno:

[Sir Sam]

This guy does a pretty good video on some of the lesser known details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLj9D4vo56Q

[Jeepin Jason]

Artec is test-fitting belly armor.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/attachments/26196304_10155885456929070_1478375238146398854_n-jpg.8948/

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/attachments/26195549_10155885456794070_7316650336776361971_n-jpg.8949/

[Dennis]

Can't wait to see what comes first, and how they truly differentiate them from the JK!

Everyone says something about the fenders...honestly, they don't bother me all that much :dunno:I can live with the fenders, I guess. Just wish the turn signals remained on the grill below the headlights as God, Mr. Willys, and some General in 1941 intended them to be.

[6DoF]

... as God, Mr. Willys, and some General in 1941 intended them to be.

:us:

[Dennis]

This guy does a pretty good video on some of the lesser known details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLj9D4vo56QGlad they took the Jeep badge off the front. Wish that the Jeep on the side was embossed like the CJ/YJ/TJ instead of the badge.

Soft top ease looks AWESOME!!! Love that the cowl latches are no longer behind the sunshades. However the folded stack looks even taller than the JK's.

[Cobound]

I can live with the fenders, I guess. Just wish the turn signals remained on the grill below the headlights as God, Mr. Willys, and some General in 1941 intended them to be.

Yeah, I'm guessing there will be a company that comes out w/ a grille that has the signals in them, or there will be some sort of mod kit where you drill your own, move the wiring (plug n play harness, possibly).

Of course, that would mean there'd need to be a blackout kit made to replace the fender lights, assuming they pop out or can be covered in some way...if not replaced w/ an aftermarket option as a result of larger tires and the signal mod.

At least that's what I've been envisioning since I saw them...and all those idiots that bought those stupid azz "mean" grilles in the past. At least this one would be a function change, not a garbage look change.


Glad they took the Jeep badge off the front. Wish that the Jeep on the side was embossed like the CJ/YJ/TJ instead of the badge.

Soft top ease looks AWESOME!!! Love that the cowl latches are no longer behind the sunshades. However the folded stack looks even taller than the JK's.

Totally agree, would love to see the embossed Jeep, but that ain't happening...cost factor, I'm sure.

Yeah, seriously want to see how that top works, as well as the hard top panel (window) removal.

[Dennis]

Yeah, seriously want to see how that top works, as well as the hard top panel (window) removal.Shouldn't be hard. Remember, the first Bronco IIs had removable rear windows.
http://www.broncoii4x4.com/bb/BIIad.jpg

[Jeepin Jason]

There're videos floating around showing the power top and removable rear side windows. The side windows work essentially just like the Freedom Top panels over the front seats, only, you know, they're vertical.

edit: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/jeep-wrangler-jl-with-sky-one-touch-powertop-demonstration.2086/

[Dennis]

There're videos floating around showing the power top and removable rear side windows. The side windows work essentially just like the Freedom Top panels over the front seats, only, you know, they're vertical.

edit: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/jeep-wrangler-jl-with-sky-one-touch-powertop-demonstration.2086/This guy does a pretty good video on some of the lesser known details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLj9D4vo56QYeah, Doug D has a good demo buried in the video Sam posted at 3:35. Looks good for a mom mobile, or a guy that does not plan to do much wheeling. Also good if you are going to put one of those full length racks like a Garvin or GOBI on your Jeep.

[Dennis]

Any word on the doors with the lower windows?
Show feature, or is it going to be available to all?

[Cobound]

Yeah, I've seen videos...want to see it in person.

Fuk that Bronco :rolleyes:

B

[6DoF]

maybe JK's will finally suffer the crushing blow of depreciation?

[Cobound]

maybe JK's will finally suffer the crushing blow of depreciation?

:lol: Not likely...and, hopefully, for those that own them...no! :lol:

[FUBAR]

TJs still have stupid high value. The only one that's really reasonably priced is the YJ.

[6DoF]

i wish i had invested in TJ futures back in the day ...

[Cobound]

TJs still have stupid high value. The only one that's really reasonably priced is the YJ.

Right, and for good reason :lol:

i wish i had invested in TJ futures back in the day ...

No kidding. However, I've never done too bad w/ mine. I have two now that I could flip pretty easily and come out where I bought them, even ahead.

I'd like to do just that w/ one of them, but the wife and kid just flat out love them. Me, meh, I'll never own another one. Well, not a shorty, maybe an Unlimited. Even then, it'd have to be bastardized, molested and beefed to the hilt!!

[6DoF]

Even then, it'd have to be bastardized, molested and beefed to the hilt!!

i mean, that's ANY stock vehicle :pimp:

[bbaCJ8]

Looks like some aftermarket shops got to peek at them this last week...should start to see some things coming out shortly.

Looks like AEV actually GOT one on hand, at the shop :eek:

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26219693_902893838210_6439171150308048163_n.jpg?oh =731b5a1726175be843b43cc3d3101e1c&oe=5ABA2F13

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26230230_902894392100_2136647563818095498_n.jpg?oh =fcb4c2ea917e128f95c4d492adb035c7&oe=5AF6ABA7

Bob just got to check it out, by the sounds of it...nothing in hand yet.

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26219127_902893853180_7355357657485539168_n.jpg?oh =6c6433b5abf9f872a2fb03959a4414f4&oe=5AE5BBF9

Can't wait to see what comes first, and how they truly differentiate them from the JK!

Everyone says something about the fenders...honestly, they don't bother me all that much :dunno:
I don't mind the fenders at all. They look way better than the giant bubbly JK plastic ones. The styling lines and more squared off look is way better, and the raised Rubicon flares with huge openings look killer. Still waiting on our Rubicons to arrive, dealers started getting them yesterday so ours should be showing up soon. So far just got the white Sport pictured above and disassembly has begun. It's a nice ass ride, lots of cool features incorporated. Cool little Jeep grills in the headlights, real hood latches that eliminate flutter and incorporate cutouts to run a winch controller to the cab, Good looking suspension geometry, giant wheelwells for low lift big tire applications, tight turning radius, super nice interior, little pocket to put the key fob instead of bouncing around a cupholder or cubby, super beefy tailgate structure for a spare tire(3/16"+ thick cast inner panel), door and tailgate guides so it doesn't swing when you don't want, etc.
There are some funky things and others that look like an afterthought like anything else, but overall it's a good platform.

Any word on the doors with the lower windows?
Show feature, or is it going to be available to all?
I've been told unofficially from a source who knows officially that they are happening, and there will be windows in them because they can't be shipped without, but that the windows are removable.

[Dennis]

Those doors will be interesting. I like the new fenders overall, just need the turn signals in the right place.

If I can get the Mrs. a new car in the next month or two, it will be my turn in the cycle in 3.5-4 years just as the oldest hits 16. He takes over the JK, I get a well optioned JL!:cool:

[bbaCJ8]

This is the best and most accurate thing I've read in a long time:

I stole this from a fellow Jeeper.
A Practical Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep (JK Owners Edition)
Hello JK owners! First let me say congratulations. There is now a Jeep that is newer than yours. As I’m sure you all know, every Jeep newer than the generation that you own is an abomination that must be shunned. For the last 11 years it was YOU the JK owners that carried the burden of having the ****ty new Jeep. But now, with the reveal of the new JL Wrangler you no longer are stuck with the worst Jeep ever made! However, it’s not time to celebrate yet. There’s a lot of work to be done before you’re truly ready to pass the torch of shame on to the next generation.
CJ, YJ, and TJ owners have all gone through this process before and now it’s your turn to join us in the traditional hating of the new Jeep! To help you though this exciting and emotional time I have prepared this simple step by step guide on how exactly to hate new Jeeps while establishing the JK as the last truly great Jeep.
Step 1 - Announce the death of Jeep:
The first step is the most important. Jeep has suffered many deaths over the its 76 year existence. In a futile and foolish attempt to keep up with market and regulatory demands, Jeep’s many owners made various changes to the very core and soul of Jeep itself ultimately leading to the total death and failure of the brand.
These announcements usually take the form of “Jeep died in _______ when _______ took over and made the ________.”
Let’s look at a few examples of past deaths:
"Jeep died in 1970 when AMC took over and made the CJ-7."
"Jeep died in 1987 when Chrysler took over and made the YJ."
"Jeep died in 1997 when Daimler took over and made the TJ."
"Jeep died in 2007 when Chrysler took over again and made the JK."
So now say it with me, “Jeep died in 2018 when Fiat took over and made them make the JL.”
Now of course some people may not understand why a new model immediately marks the death of Jeep. That's why we need to explain it to them in simple terms.
Step 2 - Develop a rallying cry:
Every new Jeep has changes. Everyone hates changes. Choose what you believe is the most egregious of these changes and form your campaign behind it. The fact that the new Jeep has or doesn’t have this feature means that it isn’t a real Jeep. This will be your rallying cry. Put it on bumper stickers, in your signature, your flair, or in the posts you make. Let’s take a look at some past examples:
Real Jeeps have round headlights!
Real Jeeps have two doors!
Real Jeeps don’t have air conditioning!
Real Jeeps have leaf spring suspension!
Real Jeeps don’t have power locks and windows!
etc.
Now let’s try some of our own,
Real Jeeps don’t have an 8 speed transmission!
Real Jeeps don’t have LED fender lights!
Real Jeeps don’t have an electric drivetrain!
etc.
Here we’ve established what makes the new Jeep an objectively terrible vehicle, however not everyone will be convinced by a simply catch phrase. That’s where step 3 comes in!
Step 3 - Craft your long form rant:
Express your displeasure at the dilution of the Jeep community. Establish blame for the death of Jeep. These statements serve the duel purpose of disparaging new Jeep owners and discouraging others from following in their footsteps. This one is easy. Just fill in the blanks.
“These new (Model) owners. A bunch of (Group of people typically not associated with Jeep) and (Second Group of people not associated with Jeep) who care more about looks than capability. Jeeps were never meant to have (New feature) but these (Groups chosen before) won’t buy a car without them. What’s next? (Absurd luxury feature)? What happened to making the most capable vehicle they could make? You can’t even get a (Removed feature) anymore because most of these people won’t do any more off-roading than the grass at their local (Location popular with new generation’s current “hip” crowd). It’s not even a real Jeep anymore it’s just (Jeep brand’s current owner) trash. And they’re so expensive too. These people drop (Current MSRP, fully loaded) for what’s basically just a (modern vehicle generally viewed as "uncool") with the Jeep logo. And the ones who modify their Jeeps are just as bad. It’s all just bolt on (Low end parts supplier) bumpers and (Newest vehicle lighting technology) lights. All about appearance and nothing about substance. AND THEY NEVER WAVE!”
See? it's easy when you can just reuse old arguments! Now that the Jeep world knows that you’re mad, what do you do?
Step 4 - Attack the JL Owners:
These people are ruining Jeep and they need to know it! They’re no better than people who bought the Compass. If you see one on this subreddit or elsewhere on other forums let them know that they don’t drive a real Jeep and aren’t welcome here. I know it seems harsh but believe me, the only way to make sure the Jeep community survives is to make sure no new people are allowed in ever.
Respond to simple questions with total distain. Downvote pictures of stock JLs or new purchases. Make sure nobody feels welcome. Don’t tell them about the trails you like or offer to go off-roading with them. They are unworthy. If they wanted to get into Jeeps they should have done it the way you did it. You earned your Jeep. You scoured the earth looking for that perfect restorable Jeep. You spent countless hours rebuilding every nut and bolt from scratch. You didn’t just waltz into some dealership and finance some bland new car. You built your Jeep.*
* Note: If you bought your JK new from a dealership then you should instead tell JL owners that they should have gone back in time and bought a new JK like you did.
By now it should be clear to the JL people where they stand in the community. Now we need to make sure it stays that way.
Step 5 - Maintain The New Status Quo:
This may be the hardest part. As more and more JL owners begin to flood the roads and trails you need to make sure you stick to your guns. The new JL owners may seem nice. Their Jeeps may seem cool or even Jeep like but make no mistake, they are still driving an objectively worse vehicle than yours.
NEVER concede that there are good things about the new Jeep. Avoid the mistakes others have made in the past such as:
“Man I wish I had air conditioning in my Jeep.”
“Coils do ride better on the road.”
“Power locks actually sound pretty nice in cold weather.”
“Your Jeep DOESN’T leak everywhere?”
Saying nice things about the new Jeep should be seen as a sign of weakness. You’re not weak. You’re a JK owner.
You may find yourself admiring the JL from afar. You may start reading great things on automotive websites. You may even feel a desire to test drive one yourself. Resist this temptation. The JK is the greatest Jeep ever made.
I'm not going to lie to you dear JK owners, Step 5 is where most people fail. For years Jeep owners have tried to definitively prove that their Jeep is the last great Jeep, yet despite this Jeep sales continue stronger than ever. Maybe this can change with you. If enough people hate on the JL with enough forcefulness, you can not only make sure that people know that the JK is the last great Jeep, but make sure that the JK is also the last Jeep period.
Which is what we all want… right?
That concludes today’s tutorial.

[Dennis]

:lol:
It has been fun to age with everyone here on :jeepin:
16 years ago, all you early 30 somethings were teenagers, fun to watch your perspectives evolve. :chug:

[6DoF]

:lol:

JK's are still the worst wrangler ever /story

[Jeepin Jason]

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/vp/198fe37b61d490b821ef42065624a142/5AE428B1/t51.2885-15/e35/26870694_170262976916185_9103254428789506048_n.jpg

:eek:

Dynatrac's JLU on ProRock 60/80s and 42s... oh yeah, and they filled in the rear doors to make it a 2dr.

edit: for you Instagrammers, follow hashtag #CODE1JL

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/vp/e7be0a01164b7aff15445894ebe3a984/5B26B3BE/t51.2885-15/e35/26073641_2001238253468424_6797479864174641152_n.jp g

[FUBAR]

. oh yeah, and they filled in the rear doors to make it a 2dr.

https://i.imgur.com/E1vhenI.gif

[Cobound]

Sean, that is a pretty good one, saw it some time ago myself.
Amazing how spot on it is :roflmao:

:lol:
It has been fun to age with everyone here on :jeepin:
16 years ago, all you early 30 somethings were teenagers, fun to watch your perspectives evolve. :chug:

:lol:


:lol:

JK's are still the worst wrangler ever /story

:squint:

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/vp/198fe37b61d490b821ef42065624a142/5AE428B1/t51.2885-15/e35/26870694_170262976916185_9103254428789506048_n.jpg

:eek:

Dynatrac's JLU on ProRock 60/80s and 42s... oh yeah, and they filled in the rear doors to make it a 2dr.

edit: for you Instagrammers, follow hashtag #CODE1JL

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/vp/e7be0a01164b7aff15445894ebe3a984/5B26B3BE/t51.2885-15/e35/26073641_2001238253468424_6797479864174641152_n.jp g

I CANNOT FUKING WAIT FOR MOAB THIS YEAR!! :rock:

I hope these JLs come out rocked to the hilt. This one is pretty BA already!! They made super quick work of it!

That pillar at the rear, into the end of the soft top, curious :confused:

[Jeepin Jason]

Probably the hard corner panel out of the side windows.

edit: Bestop made them custom full length solid side "windows". You can kinda see them in the first photo.

[Cobound]

Ah, sure...

[MBood82]

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/vp/e7be0a01164b7aff15445894ebe3a984/5B26B3BE/t51.2885-15/e35/26073641_2001238253468424_6797479864174641152_n.jp g

That looks like it's a newer TJ Unlimited. I like it, those were always my favorite versions.

The wife and I could see ourselves buying a Wrangler someday and I like the longer wheel base for any number of reasons but neither of us want a 4 door Wrangler, this would be a great compromise if they came out with a kit.

[nblehm]

Just Bondo them shut like dynatrac did :lol:

[nblehm]

:lol:
It has been fun to age with everyone here on :jeepin:
16 years ago, all you early 30 somethings were teenagers, fun to watch your perspectives evolve. :chug:

:cotter:

[nblehm]

https://scontent.fapa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/26804631_1720390317981221_2391390505401681699_n.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=b49e2a570d48c84b1df9f194cbb3e156&oe=5AE7F4AC

[Sir Sam]

Man, I wonder what its like to have throw away money.

[nblehm]

Man, I wonder what its like to have throw away money.

That's a tax write off :lol:

[FUBAR]

Still gotta spend it to get the write off though.

[Sir Sam]

Still gotta spend it to get the write off though.

Ya and its not like its 1:1 with a writeoff either.

[bbaCJ8]

:lol:

JK's are still the worst wrangler ever /story
You had an early 2 door, so you also had the worst of the JKs. The 3.6 and 2011+ interior are night and day better than the early ones. For strictly a toy, yeah I'll take a TJ or LJ any day, but for a DD, weekend wheeler, or dual purpose family vehicle they sure are nice.

[Dennis]

Man, I wonder what its like to have throw away money.

That's a tax write off :lol:

Ya and its not like its 1:1 with a writeoff either.They get a Jeep that is cool to them, a great marketing tool, and the write-off. Need to spend money to make money, so they will hopefully be money ahead with a unique Jeep when all is said and done.

[Cobound]

You had an early 2 door, so you also had the worst of the JKs. The 3.6 and 2011+ interior are night and day better than the early ones. For strictly a toy, yeah I'll take a TJ or LJ any day, but for a DD, weekend wheeler, or dual purpose family vehicle they sure are nice.

100% legit statement.

We had an '08 and a '14...night and day. I now have a '14 of my own, and I'm super impressed w/ the 3.6 pushing these 40s :yes:
The 3.8 never would've done it...reason there were so many Hemi conversions early on, especially in the '11 - new interior, old engine...bam, perfect candidate!

[Cobound]

Facebook is loaded w/ videos, pix, lifts of the JL going down this week. Crazy, response has been pretty great. I dig finding out more and more about this thing...it's a builders dream, so many things changed for the wheeler!

TrailJeeps.com

2" Mopar suspension, 37" Nitto rubber and Trail Ready beadlocks

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27067828_1791183470953397_6006824936261446418_n.jp g?oh=e2836d0c242e5c840ffa84df5fa4b69d&oe=5AEFB219

Cool night shot

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26992400_1789922711079473_8388585919080819860_n.jp g?oh=11a9cfe69e46b4f6ad507784e9e4c91f&oe=5ADCD11B

Walk around: https://www.facebook.com/trailjeeps/videos/1791371287601282/

Teraflex: https://www.facebook.com/TeraFlex/videos/10155475846287620/

[bbaCJ8]

2" Mopar suspension, 37" Nitto rubber and Trail Ready beadlocks

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27067828_1791183470953397_6006824936261446418_n.jp g?oh=e2836d0c242e5c840ffa84df5fa4b69d&oe=5AEFB219

This one looks great! 37s are gonna be industry standard on the JL without a doubt.

[Cobound]

Totally!

I love 37s...they are the shyt! Seriously, loved them on my Scrambler, my buddies JK...I honestly think my 40s are just damn huge!

I'll keep this JK a while, and a while means until I can come across a JL "Scrambler" on 37s...or find an affordable Brute DC with 37s :lol:

Hell, had I waited another month before I grabbed my current JK I could've snagged a Brute DC for about the same...plenty of them out there on 35s but I'm totally sold on 37s.

Yes, that setup by TrailJeeps is pretty damn sweet, and it's basically stock :eek:

[Jeepin Jason]

The JL Rubicon high line flares are a game changer in some ways. That thing has the same tire to flare gap that my JK does with ~4” of lift. I wonder what kind of bumpstops it’ll require to keep the tires from taking the flares off though? Even with those flares 35s will need about 2” bumptstops, just like on a JK.

[nblehm]

Everybody now with 37s and can't drive

[6DoF]

basically as long as it holds up offroad as good it's a huge win. if it's better (and all accounts say it should be) this jeep will be a HUGE win. no more bent axles, twisted steering box, etc etc

[FUBAR]

I have 37s and needed a huge amount of lift and backspacing to make it work. :lol:

[Sir Sam]

Everybody now with 37s and can't drive

More slow ass JKs in the way on the trails.

[Cobound]

Yeah, the amount of lift and modification required on everything before this < JL

Outside of the electronics being incessantly b!tched about, this is an everymans Jeep! Well, the price tag is gonna kill some bank accounts too :lol:

[Cobound]

See it flex...wow, has some great flex! The fact that 37s fit into those wheelwells with minor rubbing at full flex is flat out amazing!!

https://www.facebook.com/trailjeeps/videos/1792710714134006/

Will need some bumpstops, but damn that is a killer accomplishment with JUST 2 inches!!

And some renderings of the JT - just how close will it be to this :dunno:
Those are some gawd awful bumpers :p

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26962235_10214265030115027_2383342517383319348_o.j pg?oh=88d1c856fac601a9a50b22abd9288158&oe=5AE5A2BA

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26907446_10214265030635040_3288910416048548201_n.j pg?oh=ee78df8f0bbd980a7d9531d6fd3ba7cf&oe=5AEA3521

[Jeepin Jason]

back of the body and front of the bed are wrong, but otherwise... yeah.

Bumpers and rocker panels should look identical to JL though.

[Cobound]

That's my guess as well...while I've seen these before, and don't think they are all that spot on, still better than nothing at all :lol:

Get with it already, Jeep :banghead:

[6DoF]

i think there are better JT drawings now

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/attachments/copyright-jlwranglerforums-jtu-pickup-1-black-jpg.1305/

http://cars3releasedate.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/2019-Jeep-Wrangler-JT-Pickup-specs-design-650x366.jpg

[Cobound]

I don't understand why the top would not align w/ the bed :dunno:

[Jeepin Jason]

Because they're going off how the top fits on the AEV Brute DC and because both of those are outdated and based on JK images. It's possible that tan one is just a highly photoshopped AEV Brute DC.

Here's the CAD for the JT body and bed.

https://www.jeepscramblerforum.com/forum/attachments/2019-jeep-scrambler-jt-cad-drawing-png.1951/

[Cobound]

Ah, there we go.

That flare goes right down into the cab :squint:

[6DoF]

Big J FTMFW

and i love the idea of the flare as the crossover. both from a style, a function, and a manufacturing standpoint.

[XJAndy]

I just checked out pricing on these things. WOW

[Sir Sam]

Holy sheet thats a small bed. Think there will be a longbed option?

[Cobound]

I just checked out pricing on these things. WOW

Yeah, it ain't no joke :eek:

Because they're going off how the top fits on the AEV Brute DC and because both of those are outdated and based on JK images. It's possible that tan one is just a highly photoshopped AEV Brute DC.

Here's the CAD for the JT body and bed.

https://www.jeepscramblerforum.com/forum/attachments/2019-jeep-scrambler-jt-cad-drawing-png.1951/

top of page posterity...


Big J FTMFW

and i love the idea of the flare as the crossover. both from a style, a function, and a manufacturing standpoint.

How so...seems odd to me.

Tell me why, cuz I'd think there'd be some sort of movement issues...unless I'm seeing it wrong. And the rounded edges are going to take some getting used to, really like how AEV did them, and the bed. I do like the JL top tho, real sleek...and the extra space they created by moving the wiper below, why did it take them so long :squint:

Anyway, this is what the damn thing should look like :bangtard: :lol:

https://www.aev-conversions.com/img/brute-gallery/aev_brute_doublecab_studio_profile_side.jpg

Only thing I've never really liked about it is the fact that the bed doesn't line up w/ the hard top...looks odd when removed.

I digress...


Holy sheet thats a small bed. Think there will be a longbed option?

I highly doubt there will be a longbed version, they are already long enough and confident R&D has not included extending it. However, you may see some aftermarket extenders :dunno:

Super excited to see these on the road, unmasked!!

[bbaCJ8]

See it flex...wow, has some great flex! The fact that 37s fit into those wheelwells with minor rubbing at full flex is flat out amazing!!

https://www.facebook.com/trailjeeps/videos/1792710714134006/

Will need some bumpstops, but damn that is a killer accomplishment with JUST 2 inches!!

And some renderings of the JT - just how close will it be to this :dunno:
Those are some gawd awful bumpers :p

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26962235_10214265030115027_2383342517383319348_o.j pg?oh=88d1c856fac601a9a50b22abd9288158&oe=5AE5A2BA

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26907446_10214265030635040_3288910416048548201_n.j pg?oh=ee78df8f0bbd980a7d9531d6fd3ba7cf&oe=5AEA3521
It already has the Mopar bumpstop extensions as shown there. Biggest problem is the stupid offset they used. The JL uses same wheel offset as JK and tires already stick out past the flare more than a JK(especially with the wider Rubicon axles), then these guys used a stupid wheel offset and cause more issues. Turn under flex and that thing will be ripping flares off. Obviously I don't hate wide Jeeps, but in this case it's unnecessary and is causing more problems than it fixes. The JL Rubicon axles are damn near fullwidths already. Right around 68" WMS-WMS if I remember right.

Those JT rendering bumpers are fairly close to the Sport/Sahara base style on the endcaps where they raise up to meet the flare. JK had that style for international vehicles, it was a unique plastic cover. Looks like on JL they commonized it to do a single version for domestic and international. It'll meet both standards and probably give a miniscule MPG improvement to help their CAFE standards. Fortunately they were smart enough to make it a simple bolt-on piece that can be popped off easily.

[Jeepin Jason]

Holy sheet thats a small bed. Think there will be a longbed option?

Bed should be about the same size as the Brute's and basically every other mid-size truck's short bed... 5 foot.

No longbed option. JT will be a one-size-only vehicle.

[6DoF]

How so...seems odd to me.

less material is the biggest, so that's cheaper to make and less hidden structure/weight you gota haul around every day.

it includes the body to bed gap in the fender opening, means a larger possible opening from the start for tire clearance

and i just like how it should combine the body n bed to a more seamless set of lines vs 2 separate bits like a standard truck.

[Cobound]

I can get behind that...all things AEV didn't need to concern themselves with, since they were a custom builder, one off type mindset.

Good points, Sean, being bolt-off (yes, that's what I said - ha) and easy to remove is key for anyone that wants to do more than drive to the mall :lol:

[bbaCJ8]

I just checked out pricing on these things. WOW
JL comparably equipped to a JK is only I think $1-2k more. Problem is, most of them currently out there are loaded to the gills and the price is jacked up accordingly. They offer way more widgets and doohickeys in them now, so the max price is higher. Of course that's all the haters see and b1tch about, but that's inevitable.

Holy sheet thats a small bed. Think there will be a longbed option?
Not gonna happen. People are already whining that it's too long and breakover sucks. It's gonna be a fairly low volume, high priced niche vehicle. Marchionne said it himself.

And the rounded edges are going to take some getting used to, really like how AEV did them, and the bed. I do like the JL top tho, real sleek...and the extra space they created by moving the wiper below, why did it take them so long :squint:

Anyway, this is what the damn thing should look like :bangtard: :lol:

https://www.aev-conversions.com/img/brute-gallery/aev_brute_doublecab_studio_profile_side.jpg

Only thing I've never really liked about it is the fact that the bed doesn't line up w/ the hard top...looks odd when removed.

I digress...




I highly doubt there will be a longbed version, they are already long enough and confident R&D has not included extending it. However, you may see some aftermarket extenders :dunno:

Super excited to see these on the road, unmasked!!
That looks goofy because it doesn't have flares and is stock ride height. Ever see a Brute at stock ride height? Looks retarded. 35s are ok, IMO 37s are minimum to look good proportionally. Then again I'm around 40" trucks day in and day out so my perception is probably skewed. As for body/bed alignment, think about how shallow the bed would have to be to match the body line. The JL has a higher beltline so it's easier for them to match it, plus designing the understructure to work together happily from the get-go rather than as a retrofit opens up a lot of opportunity.

There will be a lot of Brute design cues on JT. FCA has had them in their design studio for years. They've been wanting to make one for a loooong time but it was too late in JK product cycle to justify the expense. People don't realize the true cost of design, validation, testing, tooling, etc, etc.

Sounds like the JT is an entirely unique vehicle compared to JL. It almost needs to be since the body structure no longer adds rigidity to the frame once you get past the rear seats and it's still meant to ride/handle properly and be able to carry a load. Should have much better payload than any Wrangler we've seen, but I doubt it'll be 1/2 ton truck territory. Colorado/Ranger if we're lucky. But as I said above, it's a niche vehicle and will probably be out of price range for most people who want to use it like a truck anyway.

I can get behind that...all things AEV didn't need to concern themselves with, since they were a custom builder, one off type mindset.

Good points, Sean, being bolt-off (yes, that's what I said - ha) and easy to remove is key for anyone that wants to do more than drive to the mall :lol:
I'm not talking about the whole corner coming off, that's specific to the stamped steel HardRock-style like on the Rubicon in your video. The plastic Sport and Sahard bumpers are 1 piece. I'm just talking about the ugly gap filler wings that tie up between bumper and flare.
Like these, but now a separate piece:
http://image.4wheeloffroad.com/f/32568903/131_1005_02+may_2010_nuts_bolts+european_jeep_fron t_bumper.jpg

[Cobound]

I knew what you meant...those things are horrid :lol:

[Sir Sam]

Anyway, this is what the damn thing should look like :bangtard: :lol:

https://www.aev-conversions.com/img/brute-gallery/aev_brute_doublecab_studio_profile_side.jpg



Now that is long, keep in mind shoving the axle further up keeps the wheel base shorter.

[Sir Sam]

I'm not talking about the whole corner coming off, that's specific to the stamped steel HardRock-style like on the Rubicon in your video. The plastic Sport and Sahard bumpers are 1 piece. I'm just talking about the ugly gap filler wings that tie up between bumper and flare.
Like these, but now a separate piece:
http://image.4wheeloffroad.com/f/32568903/131_1005_02+may_2010_nuts_bolts+european_jeep_fron t_bumper.jpg

That filler gap is found in other countries based on legal requirements for on road vehicles, having that gap doesn't pass legal requirements in the EU and Australia.

[Cobound]

Had a stock Taco drive past me yesterday...kinda pictured the JT only cooler. Smaller trucks have grown on me lately...especially the Taco, I’ve seen them well built as of late. Especially the overlanding type...man, this JT is gonna kill the small truck market. Of course, at an expense to the user :eek:

[nblehm]

I came to the realization the other day, that I still don't like new jeeps. But it doesn't matter since I will never be buying one so I'm not their marketing target :lol:

[Cobound]

:thumbsup:

[Jeepin Jason]

Now that is long, keep in mind shoving the axle further up keeps the wheel base shorter.

Based on the Brute's specs, the JT should be around the same overall length and wheelbase as a Tacoma double-cab long-bed, it's just that the JT will have a shortbed on it.

With the requisite 2-3" lift and 35-37" tires it's going to dwarf the Taco though.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4180/33897153123_2047a4a119_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TDnLEx)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/TDnLEx) by Jason West (https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeepin/), on Flickr

[Cobound]

Noice!

[Sir Sam]

This video gives some good info on the next gen axles, looks like quite a few differences, gonna be a whole new ball game with them I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJHOMm3tCN0h

[MBood82]

I've been seeing a lot of those things the past few days in the Detroit area. ALL over the place it seems. Pretty quick that they got them out on the roads.

[freerider15]

I'm just hoping this makes the JK's more realistic in price in the next few years.

Maybe once Nikki's '96 XJ is on it's way out...I'd be willing to entertain a JK...given the right pricing.

[FUBAR]

The JL is more than the JK so don't expect JK prices to drop any time soon. I just wish my CJ would jump up in value so I could sell knowing I only wasted thousand, instead of 10s of thousands. :lol:

[Cobound]

:lol:

[Sir Sam]

I saw a JL wrangler today for the first time......they are starting to hit the streets.

The next year or so is going to be very interesting seeing what happens and what comes out.

The JK was pretty revolutionary when it came out, this one not as much, but many people are gonna go crazy spending money on parts. Seems this jeep is geared towards bolting on parts even more than the last, lots of factory upgrades available.

[bbaCJ8]

The JL is more than the JK so don't expect JK prices to drop any time soon. I just wish my CJ would jump up in value so I could sell knowing I only wasted thousand, instead of 10s of thousands. :lol:
Apples to apples the JL price increased very little from the JK. The price tags are high on all the ones in the market now because they've got a ton of options on them. There's a lot more available content on JL, so yeah with the extra gadgets the cost is higher. If someone wants a JL equipped like their JK was then they won't have to pay much more, I think within $1-2k.

I saw a JL wrangler today for the first time......they are starting to hit the streets.

The next year or so is going to be very interesting seeing what happens and what comes out.

The JK was pretty revolutionary when it came out, this one not as much, but many people are gonna go crazy spending money on parts. Seems this jeep is geared towards bolting on parts even more than the last, lots of factory upgrades available.
Welcome to 6 months ago :f2:

Mopar stepped up their game with offerings big time. FCA also built in far more complexity and options than they ever have on a Jeep. The chassis platform is very very similar to JK, fixed some handling/suspension design flaws, and made it very aftermarket friendly for the most part.

On JK 37s were the biggest you could easily go, any more drastically complicated things as far as clearances and tire fitment. The JL Rubicon was damn near built around 37s and they fit with very little effort....not that I've seen and flexed one out first hand or anything :cotter:
I'll be curious to see how tough the axles are, because it should be a lot easier for a lot more people to put these things on 40s than it has been on any past Jeep.

[Cobound]

Apples to apples the JL price increased very little from the JK. The price tags are high on all the ones in the market now because they've got a ton of options on them. There's a lot more available content on JL, so yeah with the extra gadgets the cost is higher. If someone wants a JL equipped like their JK was then they won't have to pay much more, I think within $1-2k.


On JK 37s were the biggest you could easily go, any more drastically complicated things as far as clearances and tire fitment. The JL Rubicon was damn near built around 37s and they fit with very little effort....not that I've seen and flexed one out first hand or anything :cotter:
I'll be curious to see how tough the axles are, because it should be a lot easier for a lot more people to put these things on 40s than it has been on any past Jeep.

I've heard everyone b!tch about the pricing...but I'm w/ you. They are ALL going to be decked out right now, but once you start ordering them, or they start coming out after they've been on the streets a while, they'll be similar pricing.

They are still trying to sell the remaining new JKs they have on the lots...so why come out w/ a low dough JL when people will pay the premium, get all the updated gadgets, at a price...they won't. So, until the market clears of the new on the lot JKs a bit, expect to see the higher priced JLs on the lots. They want those w/ the $$$$.

Far as building to suit the aftermarket, crazy on point. No other vehicle has ever been so adapted to the aftermarket...it's what this lives for.

Definitely see more on 40s now...but if those axles don't hold up it will be a mess :lol:

I'll stick to my JK w/ 60/80...for now :cotter: :lol:

Man, the more I see the JL, I really like the fenders, the rolled hard top corners, the grille...still can't wait to see one in person!! And even more jacked for the JT!!

[Dennis]

The JL is more than the JK so don't expect JK prices to drop any time soon. I just wish my CJ would jump up in value so I could sell knowing I only wasted thousand, instead of 10s of thousands. :lol:CJ prices have been back on the move the last year and a half. https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/values/67940?yearRange=15
And they have done better than Gold, the S&P, and the Dow. Only Nasdaq has done better.

[Cobound]

:lol:

[FUBAR]

I'm going to claim Dennis is smart, only because he'll then argue he's stupid as fukk.

[Cobound]

You take it too seriously...at least he's not wrath :rolleyes:

[Sir Sam]

https://i.imgur.com/ei1iXji.jpg

[Cobound]

Saw the vid on FB :rolleyes:

Shyt happens. Would I be pissed, yes...but what do you expect from a year 1 vehicle :lol:

I don’t know that I’d spread it all over the WWW as a lemon :james:

[nblehm]

6 miles man. That is bad.

[Cobound]

Sure is. New vehicle, loose wire, bad connection, faulty widget...happens. Likely be fixed pretty quickly, doubt it’s a model failure.

Anyway, I’d be peeved, too...but I’m also not a builder.

[FUBAR]

I think for the money they charge for it, I'd be PO'd to.

[6DoF]

oh yeah, 6mi? i'd be in there getting some money back or something, i'd be pissed. but i 100% understand that **** happens when you put that many parts together that many times ... one pile of parts may have an issue. statistics

[Cobound]

Oh, I'm clearly speaking as an observer...I have the benefit of seeing it from afar as it's NOT mine :lol:

Make no mistake, I'd be PITHED as hell...but it's not like it's not going to be taken care of.

Yes, statistics, it was going to happen to someone, bummer it was them but luckily not some schmo that knows nothing about vehicles.

[Dennis]

I'm going to claim Dennis is smart, only because he'll then argue he's stupid as fukk.Crap, I give you credit for having the rare appreciating vehicle, and you still think I am picking on you. Boo fricking hoo.

[nblehm]

It's lame they brought back the axle disconnect. At least it's not the vacuum addition that plagued the 90s

[Dennis]

It's lame they brought back the axle disconnect. At least it's not the vacuum addition that plagued the 90sAgree. Is it cable actuated now?

[Cobound]

Yeah, that YJ disconnect was horrid! Vacuum actuated BS!

I'm not sure how this one will work, haven't looked into it, but it HAS to be better...and with the knowledge of past issues that plagued the YJ...I'm confident upgrades will be plentiful and stout. Doesn't worry me.

Hell, swap to a D60 front and you won't have to worry about it :lol:

[Sir Sam]

Agree. Is it cable actuated now?

It's lame they brought back the axle disconnect. At least it's not the vacuum addition that plagued the 90s

Yeah, that YJ disconnect was horrid! Vacuum actuated BS!

I'm not sure how this one will work, haven't looked into it, but it HAS to be better...and with the knowledge of past issues that plagued the YJ...I'm confident upgrades will be plentiful and stout. Doesn't worry me.

Hell, swap to a D60 front and you won't have to worry about it :lol:



This gives some good info and views on the new axles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJHOMm3tCN0



Basically the CAD is electronic, and I bet it works pretty good. Still I'm sure for those that don't want it will end up being something to lock in place just like on the old XJs and YJs.

It is a good idea and it is necessary in this day and age, as long as its not a problematic failure point from the factory I think its a good idea.

Plus there will be two types of owners, those who DGAF and will leave it alone, and those that do and will promptly ditch it, lock it out, or replace the shafts with something else.

[bbaCJ8]

Yep it's electronic. Fleet MPG standards pretty much force them to add stuff like that and engine start-stop to have a chance at meeting government requirements. Of course the know-nothing know-it-alls are up in arms about these axles being weak pieces of trash because they have an axle disconnect and the ring gear is a few mm smaller than the D44 they replaced. Nevermind the bigger C's, bigger OD and thickness tubes, etc. They're supposed to be pretty stout but of course the idiots have to bash at every opportunity.

[FUBAR]

Yep it's electronic. Fleet MPG standards pretty much force them to add stuff like that and engine start-stop to have a chance at meeting government requirements. Of course the know-nothing know-it-alls are up in arms about these axles being weak pieces of trash because they have an axle disconnect and the ring gear is a few mm smaller than the D44 they replaced. Nevermind the bigger C's, bigger OD and thickness tubes, etc. They're supposed to be pretty stout but of course the idiots have to bash at every opportunity.

But inevitably, those axles will get swapped with aftermarket for thousands of dollars more. Why not just make a streetable axle that's easy to swap. :lol:

[Sir Sam]

Yep it's electronic. Fleet MPG standards pretty much force them to add stuff like that and engine start-stop to have a chance at meeting government requirements. Of course the know-nothing know-it-alls are up in arms about these axles being weak pieces of trash because they have an axle disconnect and the ring gear is a few mm smaller than the D44 they replaced. Nevermind the bigger C's, bigger OD and thickness tubes, etc. They're supposed to be pretty stout but of course the idiots have to bash at every opportunity.

Agreed. We haven't seen a solid axle get as much of a clean sheet design in decades. They were able to go "What worked in the past and what can we do better in the future?"

I'm not saying we wont find out about weaknesses or room for improvement, but this is almost a greenfield axle so everything we think we know needs to be re-evaluted within the context of this axle.

Sure CAD was an issue before, maybe its going to be a total non issue in this axle?

Someone in the future, maybe, "Ya my CAD actuator died, I got 190k out of it before I ran over a pizza delivery robot leaving my driveway and broke the thing off." Should I lock the axle out or order a replacement for the actuator? The Amazon drone can have either the lockout kit or the replacement dropped off at my house before I get home from work."

[nblehm]

Yeah it will be better for sure. And I get why they did it. I would think a automatic hub would be better. Plus less spinning stuff in 2wd.

[Sir Sam]

Yeah it will be better for sure. And I get why they did it. I would think a automatic hub would be better. Plus less spinning stuff in 2wd.

I agree hubs would be better, it must be a cost issue that CAD does enough that complex hub system that can hold up to the abuse cannot compete with.

And you know there is no way in hell that they would sell a vehicle with manual locking hubs these days.

[6DoF]

Someone in the future, maybe, "Ya my CAD actuator died, I got 190k out of it before I ran over a pizza delivery robot leaving my driveway and broke the thing off." Should I lock the axle out or order a replacement for the actuator? The Amazon drone can have either the lockout kit or the replacement dropped off at my house before I get home from work."

BAAAAAHAHAHAhahahah :roflmao::roflmao: :lol:

this!

[6DoF]

I agree hubs would be better, it must be a cost issue that CAD does enough that complex hub system that can hold up to the abuse cannot compete with.

And you know there is no way in hell that they would sell a vehicle with manual locking hubs these days.

i don't know ... i feel like the auto-locking hubs would be fine, and give the aftermarket the chance to simply drop in manual locking. better all around.

[Sir Sam]

i don't know ... i feel like the auto-locking hubs would be fine, and give the aftermarket the chance to simply drop in manual locking. better all around.

Ya but from the engineering side that would probably add a huge cost to get the reliability to what the CAD system has.

Imagine if you had TWO electronic lockers in each hub that wore out every 100k miles. I'm pretty sure it would be one of those notorious failure items that go down in automotive history like the Chevy Diesel, or rusted toyota Dana frame.

[Cobound]

Drove one today when I took my Ram in for an oil change...yep, I'm in love :lol:

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27067855_907579942220_4854815311127797013_n.jpg?oh =ae894d5070cefdcd5226301febb8bd04&oe=5AE2A892

Smooth, fast, about as quiet as the JK...as advertised - WAY MORE OPTIONS :eek:

The stop engine was a bit odd, but it has an override button and wasn't all that noticeable when taking off.

Anyway, can't justify it, but I sure did like it. I'd probably consider buying my wife a 2 door JK or JL now, if she wanted one...but she prefers the TJ, so I'll just keep spending that money on my toys :lol:

Had a sticker of $52,050 and as soon as I walked in the door a guy took the keys as he had just signed papers to take it home :eek:

[nblehm]

Ya but from the engineering side that would probably add a huge cost to get the reliability to what the CAD system has.

Imagine if you had TWO electronic lockers in each hub that wore out every 100k miles. I'm pretty sure it would be one of those notorious failure items that go down in automotive history like the Chevy Diesel, or rusted toyota Dana frame.

Plenty of cars came with mechanical auto locking hubs.

[6DoF]

...but she prefers the TJ

and she's correct!

Had a sticker of $52,050 and as soon as I walked in the door a guy took the keys as he had just signed papers to take it home :eek:

jebus! the wife's 2016 'vette only had a sticker of $54k! and i'm sorry, i love jeeps, but i'll take a vette for the same money. omg

[Cobound]

Yep, pretty insane!

[bbaCJ8]

Translation: In 3 months Cobound will own a JL.

[Cobound]

Translation: In 3 months Cobound will own a JL.

:roflmao: :lol:

That would be true even a few years ago, and you've called it before...but not this round. Just too rich for my blood, and I have a built JK that is cheaper than a stock JL...and the wife is happy w/ her TJ, so no.

Not to mention, the damn industry I'm in isn't being all that friendly to my pocketbook as of late, so it's not a good time to indulge.

That said, if my wife wanted a nice used 2 door JK I'd be on the hunt for that, but the JL is going to have to wait...at least until the JT comes out. Not sure I need a 1/2 ton Ram any more, but I certainly can't live w/o a truck. Hell, you called that one, too...once you've had a truck you can't go back.

[bbaCJ8]

:roflmao: :lol:

That would be true even a few years ago, and you've called it before...but not this round. Just too rich for my blood, and I have a built JK that is cheaper than a stock JL...and the wife is happy w/ her TJ, so no.

Not to mention, the damn industry I'm in isn't being all that friendly to my pocketbook as of late, so it's not a good time to indulge.

That said, if my wife wanted a nice used 2 door JK I'd be on the hunt for that, but the JL is going to have to wait...at least until the JT comes out. Not sure I need a 1/2 ton Ram any more, but I certainly can't live w/o a truck. Hell, you called that one, too...once you've had a truck you can't go back.
Ok, ok.....6 months.

[Cobound]

:roflmao:

[Jeepin Jason]

:lol:

edit: I have to agree on the pricing... $52K is the sticker price of a loaded out HEMI Grand Cherokee Trailhawk... Or a 4Runner TRD Pro with ~$10K left over for upgrades... And that's $19K more than the sticker on my old '09 JKUR... And the sad/scary thing is the JLURs are selling easily at that price point... :james:

[FUBAR]

That is the scary part. So many people are willing to spend that much money on a car. Especially a Jeep. You could buy a high-end luxury car for less money. It's also why most of them will probably be leased and not purchased.

[Cobound]

By the time you price out a JL build, you could pick up a sweet built JKUR (similar to what I did) or a Brute DC, for that matter...which I’m more apt to consider, more for your money. I’m guessing those Brute prices will come down some, already seen a few dropped to ALMOST reasonable prices, considering their original tags!! But still out there.

I’d trade mine for a Brute DC Rubi on 37s...actually talked to a guy a few weeks ago just to see what he’d do. He balked, but did say he’d be in Moab this spring, we’ll see if I run into him, and what happens :roflmao:

Now, Sean, THAT is more likely to happen in the next 3-6 months than me owning a JL :p

It beckons the thoughts I already have w/ my Ram vs. Suburban tho...completely open interior of an SUV vs. hauling capacity of a truck. Everything reachable from inside when traveling vs. needing to stop to grab gear in the bed, always pros and cons. Full-size vs. Compact. I like the comparison Dubs gave w/ the JK and Taco front to back, can’t wait to see it in person.

Bottom line, yes, $52k is a LOT of money, but people are willing to spend $10k a seat for a Super Bowl ticket, a game that lasts 3 hours, bonus they get to see a live music show at half...there’s a market for everything at any price...like the houses people are renting for $20k a night, or $250k a week during their SB stay :squint: :eek:

[Jeepin Jason]

Speaking of spending lots of money... Saw this a few weeks ago. The trailer alone probably cost as much if not more than BigRed did brand new.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4697/39007003514_f63e4a55b2_k.jpg

[Cobound]

Yes, you would be right. Crazy what those Lil things go for :eek:

[bbaCJ8]

By the time you price out a JL build, you could pick up a sweet built JKUR (similar to what I did) or a Brute DC, for that matter...which I’m more apt to consider, more for your money. I’m guessing those Brute prices will come down some, already seen a few dropped to ALMOST reasonable prices, considering their original tags!! But still out there.

I’d trade mine for a Brute DC Rubi on 37s...actually talked to a guy a few weeks ago just to see what he’d do. He balked, but did say he’d be in Moab this spring, we’ll see if I run into him, and what happens :roflmao:

Now, Sean, THAT is more likely to happen in the next 3-6 months than me owning a JL :p
That would not be a smart move IMO. I looooove the look of Brutes, but having been around them quite a bit and driven them a little (very little actually) I wouldn't buy one. They're beautiful and are a great show piece and attention getter, but for an actual driver/wheeler/toy there are a few things that just don't do it for me. Not gonna get into it here, but if you're really curious you know how to get ahold of me. If you get bored just swap an L92/6L80E into your JK and enjoy it for as long as possible.....then sell it to me for pennies on the dollar when you get bored again.

[Cobound]

I get what you’re saying...I know how to get to ya ;)

[Dennis]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvULN5PwSSrtv5EkrkvTyGQ52aig25yGs

[6DoF]

the waterfall one was a solid :micdrop:

[xj_man_646]

Agreed. I liked that one a lot.

I want to know where that man made lake and waterfall were. I noticed it was a M-pate Jeep; leads me to believe they built that at a proving ground somewhere, in which case, this makes me want to find a Jeep calibration position even though it is within the confines of FCA :lol:

[6DoF]

probably just a rock quarry or similar, and a fire hose at the top :lol:

[Cobound]

:roflmao: Probably...clear Hollywood tomfoolery :lol:

[srt8-jk]

:roflmao: Probably...clear Hollywood tomfoolery :lol:

From what I had heard, this was filmed on a ranch someplace in Texas.

[Cobound]

Then we need to find that ranch in Texas!

Matter of fact, w/ your recent capabilities, we need to put our own action on camera :rock:

[Dennis]

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/2018-jeep-wrangler-turbo-20-liter-engine-will-reportedly-be-1000-option?utm_source=DailyDrive20180208&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=headline-center&utm_content=body&utm_campaign=awdailydriveThe 2018 Wrangler will keep the Pentastar 3.6-liter V6, good for 285 hp and 260 lb-ft of torque, as its base engine; it's the single largest piece of hardware that carries over from the outgoing version. But most of the buzz about the powertrain has centered on the new turbocharged 2.0-liter engine that will make its debut in the Wrangler lineup. This 2.0-liter will churn out 270 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque -- a bump over the Pentastar when it comes to torque but a slight drop in horsepower -- and it will be paired exclusively with an eight-speed automatic transmission.

JL Wrangler Forums now reports that the 2.0-liter turbo is now available for ordering as a $1,000 option over the base Pentastar V6. As this engine can only be paired with the eight-speed automatic, which itself is a $2,000 option, it makes this powertrain combo a $3,000 option.



Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/2018-jeep-wrangler-turbo-20-liter-engine-will-reportedly-be-1000-option#ixzz56X5LK08E

[Sir Sam]

Turbo option will be interesting. See what can be tuned up for more HP on it. It will be interesting to see stock for stock what the turbo is like for drivesbility and fuel economy.

[bbaCJ8]

Had some discussion about this yesterday. Sounds like they almost advised people to only get that engine if you're leaving it stock. It will take very little added weight or tire to knock it into constant turbo use and kill fuel economy and longterm reliability. Sounds like a pretty poor choice for most of us, Ecodiesel will be the one to have. 400+lb-ft and 30+ MPG. Shouldn't take long to pay off the extra purchase price with those kind of numbers.

[Cobound]

Had some discussion about this yesterday. Sounds like they almost advised people to only get that engine if you're leaving it stock. It will take very little added weight or tire to knock it into constant turbo use and kill fuel economy and longterm reliability. Sounds like a pretty poor choice for most of us, Ecodiesel will be the one to have. 400+lb-ft and 30+ MPG. Shouldn't take long to pay off the extra purchase price with those kind of numbers.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/17413ad88f36b991f98c69d29be3eb67/tumblr_oby5brV38Q1vbe7guo1_1280.jpg

[Sir Sam]

Had some discussion about this yesterday. Sounds like they almost advised people to only get that engine if you're leaving it stock. It will take very little added weight or tire to knock it into constant turbo use and kill fuel economy and longterm reliability. Sounds like a pretty poor choice for most of us, Ecodiesel will be the one to have. 400+lb-ft and 30+ MPG. Shouldn't take long to pay off the extra purchase price with those kind of numbers.

I think those are valid points. And I'd much rather have the VM diesel.

I'll see how things are looking when the truck comes out. If the truck has a diesel option it might be enough to tempt me to buy. Maybe.

[bbaCJ8]

I think those are valid points. And I'd much rather have the VM diesel.

I'll see how things are looking when the truck comes out. If the truck has a diesel option it might be enough to tempt me to buy. Maybe.
It absolutely will. Diesel should be out well before the truck is on the market.

[Cobound]

:rock:

[FUBAR]

http://www.thedrive.com/news/18346/yes-theyve-already-ls-swapped-a-brand-new-2018-jeep-wrangler-jl

http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=60&url=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fthe-drive-staging%2Fmessage-editor%252F1518128930615-27459672_1357018271069673_5388439494118151587_n.jp g

[Jeepin Jason]

:eek::bow::banana:

[Cobound]

Yeah, really wish that would've been an option this round...but it would've not only SERIOUSLY increased the cost, as if the new model alone isn't already expensive...it might just have killed the Grand :eek:

Luxury with removable top/doors...got it. V8...go get a Grand :rolleyes:

[nblehm]

Lots of people that drive grands wouldn't drive a wrangled, I'd think.

[Cobound]

Yeah, kill might be a strong word...it'd dig into the Grand's profits fo sho.

[Jeepin Jason]

Yeah, kill might be a strong word...it'd dig into the Grand's profits fo sho.

Maybe dig into the Grand's sales, but I'd guess they make more % on Wranglers than on the Grand, so Jeep would likely come out ahead in terms of revenue and PFO. Even if they "only" offered the 5.7L HEMI, and "only" in the 4dr JLU, the damn thing would sell like hotcakes. The only real downside, for some folks, would be a drop in JK/JKU resale as the market gets flooded by JK owners upgrading to a HEMI JL.

[Cobound]

Werd.

[FUBAR]

I'd drive an LS Wrangler like it was stolen. And it probably would be if I were driving it

[FUBAR]

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/vp/198fe37b61d490b821ef42065624a142/5AE428B1/t51.2885-15/e35/26870694_170262976916185_9103254428789506048_n.jpg

:eek:

Dynatrac's JLU on ProRock 60/80s and 42s... oh yeah, and they filled in the rear doors to make it a 2dr.

edit: for you Instagrammers, follow hashtag #CODE1JL

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/vp/e7be0a01164b7aff15445894ebe3a984/5B26B3BE/t51.2885-15/e35/26073641_2001238253468424_6797479864174641152_n.jp g

I came across this article that shows them "converting" the 4-door to look like a stretched 2-door.

http://www.fourwheeler.com/project-vehicles/1802-first-jeep-wrangler-jl-built-sets-bar-high/

[Cobound]

Time and money. There is a stretched 2 door JK on the market right now. I've seen it in Moab and it's killer, I'll have to go find it.

Edit: https://forum.aev-conversions.com/forum/aev-for-sale/preowned-aev-wrangler-brute-double-cab-for-sale/248870-2015-jeep-wrangler-10-stretch-w-37-s

https://forum.aev-conversions.com/filedata/fetch?photoid=248871

[bbaCJ8]

Maybe dig into the Grand's sales, but I'd guess they make more % on Wranglers than on the Grand, so Jeep would likely come out ahead in terms of revenue and PFO. Even if they "only" offered the 5.7L HEMI, and "only" in the 4dr JLU, the damn thing would sell like hotcakes. The only real downside, for some folks, would be a drop in JK/JKU resale as the market gets flooded by JK owners upgrading to a HEMI JL.
It has nothing to do with the Grand, they're totally different markets. The packaging just isn't there for a V8. They can be shoehorned in by the aftermarket but would never meet OEM crash standards. Between that and the ever increasing MPG and emissions standards we'll never see an OEM V8 Wrangler. Hell, even the full-size truck market is moving away from them, there's no way a Wrangler will move toward it.

[Jeepin Jason]

...The packaging just isn't there for a V8. They can be shoehorned in by the aftermarket but would never meet OEM crash standards. ...

You've mentioned that before but it still seems totally crazy to me given the comparative sizes of the JK/JL vs the Grand Cherokee. But at the same time, the Pentastar in my JK feels cramped compared to the HEMI in my MIL's WK2. :dunno:

Just a difference in how they can build the unibody Grand vs the BOF Wrangler?

[Dennis]

It has nothing to do with the Grand, they're totally different markets. The packaging just isn't there for a V8. They can be shoehorned in by the aftermarket but would never meet OEM crash standards. Between that and the ever increasing MPG and emissions standards we'll never see an OEM V8 Wrangler. Hell, even the full-size truck market is moving away from them, there's no way a Wrangler will move toward it.

You've mentioned that before but it still seems totally crazy to me given the comparative sizes of the JK/JL vs the Grand Cherokee. But at the same time, the Pentastar in my JK feels cramped compared to the HEMI in my MIL's WK2. :dunno:

Just a difference in how they can build the unibody Grand vs the BOF Wrangler?Mopar makes/markets the lift kits now, something that would not have been heard of 15 years ago. Could they put together a crate engine kit with all the hook ups and software ready to go. Just bolts, plugs, and a thumb-drive for a competent mechanic to do in a day; and stay in compliance with the law? Do it at the dealership and they give you credit for the delivery mile only Pentastar?

[Jeepin Jason]

Mopar makes/markets the lift kits now, something that would not have been heard of 15 years ago. Could they put together a crate engine kit with all the hook ups and software ready to go. Just bolts, plugs, and a thumb-drive for a competent mechanic to do in a day; and stay in compliance with the law? Do it at the dealership and they give you credit for the delivery mile only Pentastar?

Mopar did that for a while actually, back around 2012. I'm not sure what became of it though...

From an FCA press release for SEMA 2012:

Mopar 5.7-liter and 6.4-liter HEMI® V-8 Conversion Kits for Jeep Wrangler

Mopar’s newly created off-road division will announce a new Mopar 6.4-liter HEMI V-8 engine conversion kit that covers 2007 through 2011 model-year Jeep Wranglers. The Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) is $18,599 and the part number is P5156162.

Producing approximately 470 horsepower and 470 lb.-ft. of torque to the rear wheels, the Mopar V-8 conversion kit gives Jeep Wrangler enthusiasts an unprecedented blend of power and capability. The Mopar Wrangler 6.4-liter HEMI V-8 conversion kit will mate to Chrysler Group’s W5A580 five-speed automatic transmission, and eventually to the six-speed manual transmission.

The new 5.7-liter HEMI conversion kit also covers 2007 through 2011 model-year Jeep Wranglers. The MSRP is $15,599 and the part number is P5156213. The engine generates approximately 375 horsepower and 400 lb.-ft. of torque.

[Dennis]

Interesting. Being it was from the "off-road division", was that to mean non-street legal applications or the Fourwheeling crowd? The 5.7 would have been fine for me. I wonder what the install time/cost was at a dealer.

[6DoF]

[goesbackintime] tells the AMC guys designing the first CJ-7 that 50 years from now the Italians will design the tailgate as a cast magnesium piece with a AL shell [/]

:getshungfortreasonandwitchcraft:

[bbaCJ8]

[goesbackintime] tells the AMC guys designing the first CJ-7 that 50 years from now the Italians will design the tailgate as a cast magnesium piece with a AL shell [/]

:getshungfortreasonandwitchcraft:
How's that a problem? It's strong and light for hanging big asss tires on it. The hinges even tie into the body structure in the fore-aft direction to better handle the load. Don't hate on change just because it's new, they used advanced materials and manufacturing processes to make a better product in many ways.

[6DoF]

i'm impressed by and all for it, good on them for making things better.

but back in the day, think about what they'd think. 1) the Italians ... 2) what would have been exotic construction, and on a jeep

[Jeepin Jason]

i'm impressed by and all for it, good on them for making things better.

but back in the day, think about what they'd think. 1) the Italians ... 2) what would have been exotic construction, and on a jeep

Or what they'd think about if you told them about the XJ... 1) the French!... 2) and unibody construction, on a Jeep!, with an aluminum, chain-driven transfer case...

(or that at one point in the future, the Germans (!!!) would own Jeep...)

[Dennis]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28577775_2137368996279685_8370533658400575278_n.jp g?oh=45eb1733f91a2297d675132ed3be0326&oe=5B062CAF

[FUBAR]

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28279825_2020478754658948_5257851255272986792_n.jp g?oh=9392532f2a8637cfe3ab6de57370733c&oe=5B063EE9

[bbaCJ8]

I put about 130 miles on a lifted JL Sport this weekend and was very impressed. Power was great with the new 3.6 and 8 speed, normal driving was plenty of pep and it straight up scoots when you get into it. It shifts more than I'm used to or prefer on the highway, but nothing awful. That's pretty much unavoidable with that many gears and the aerodynamics of a cinder block. 35" mud tires don't help the situation either.
Ride and drive was very nice as well, no complaints there. Major road disturbances made it dance a little, but it's still very good for a solid axle rig. It was never sketchy or troublesome.
Interior is very comfortable and quiet, adequate space for a pair of car seats in back with room to spare. Freedom panels just BARELY fit in the rear cargo area. The storage bag they provide is nice but not that well thought out. The divider flap attaches at the wrong end IMO, makes it a pain to get them in and out of the bag from within the cargo area.
Very nice Jeep overall, I could happily DD one of those.

[Dennis]

I put about 130 miles on a lifted JL Sport this weekend and was very impressed. Power was great with the new 3.6 and 8 speed, normal driving was plenty of pep and it straight up scoots when you get into it. It shifts more than I'm used to or prefer on the highway, but nothing awful. That's pretty much unavoidable with that many gears and the aerodynamics of a cinder block. 35" mud tires don't help the situation either.
Ride and drive was very nice as well, no complaints there. Major road disturbances made it dance a little, but it's still very good for a solid axle rig. It was never sketchy or troublesome.
Interior is very comfortable and quiet, adequate space for a pair of car seats in back with room to spare. Freedom panels just BARELY fit in the rear cargo area. The storage bag they provide is nice but not that well thought out. The divider flap attaches at the wrong end IMO, makes it a pain to get them in and out of the bag from within the cargo area.
Very nice Jeep overall, I could happily DD one of those.
JK's freedom top bag kind of sucks too. Is the rear cargo area smaller or the JL's width that much wider than the JK?

[bbaCJ8]

JK's freedom top bag kind of sucks too. Is the rear cargo area smaller or the JL's width that much wider than the JK?
Not sure. I don't think it's any smaller, but with the large bump inward on the tailgate latch area the panels have to be positioned a certain way for the tailgate to close.

[Cobound]

My panels fit perfect laying flat on top of my Tuffy security lid, and they otherwise aren't made to lay down in the back, they are set up to be attached to the rear seat headrests flat to the back, vertical.

Like this -

https://www.quadratec.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_zoomed/public/product_images/MasterTop-1310001-Freedom-Panel-Storage-Bag.jpg

With that said, they do also fit on the floor, but when we took them off our last JK we put them up like pictured above.

Great review, Sean, it really is a damn nice vehicle!

[6DoF]

was at Rausch Creek this past weekend and talked to a guy with one. he has had it for about a month, 2" lift and 35's, still gets 19mpg. his Terraflex extended sway bar bolts broke first thing that morning, but no swaybar wasn't the end of the world. he said he was VERY impressed. every detail inside and out he said was better then his JK. he did however back into a stick that was like 1/2" dia and it pocked thru the rear bumper cover. he left it in for a trophy.